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the oldest and strongest human emotion

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is fear

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and the oldest and strongest type of

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fear

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is trepidation of the unknown

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when we were children our parents told

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us that monsters didn't exist

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but we were sure that something was

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lurking under the bed or in the closet

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fear sees even if our eyes are closed

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welcome to the realm of the arcane

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my name is lon strickler

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join me as i examine unexplained

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creatures

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strange manifestations and remarkable

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realities

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imagine this next hour as a voyage of

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discovery to strange lands

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seeking not for new territory

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but for new knowledge of the

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supernatural

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come on board as we begin this adventure

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together

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coach good evening and welcome to

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another episode of arcane radio

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where we explore the unexplained live

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one beyond explanation

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i'm your host lon strickler coming to

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you within a canon show the howl fields

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of gettysburg pennsylvania thanks for

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needed and appreciated so tonight

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talking a little bit of dog man upright

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canine

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the craziness of pennsylvania uh we got

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butch witkowski joining me tonight

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uh he's a member of the phantoms of

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monsters 14 research team

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but tonight known each other for

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maybe too long

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uh

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we've been kind of going through a lot

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of things over the years between the

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todd sea's case and

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dog man and ufos and everything in

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between

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he's also the director of the ufo

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research center of pennsylvania as well

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so butch

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thanks for joining me

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pleasure as always my man

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how you doing

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uh

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yeah pretty much same as always days

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confused you know

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well you know when you get over 70 you

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get that one now

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knock on wood my friend

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yeah oh

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well i ain't this week well this week's

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been busy for me we

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did an rv on saturday

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and i'm just been knocked out all week

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off and on off and on sleeping here

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sleeping there

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um you know but you get used to i guess

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but anyway we're here to talk about dog

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in pennsylvania

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uh we now we did have we did have an

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update on a case

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oh god when was it that was

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uh i got the call back in uh april

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this was uh up in pottstown pennsylvania

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have had uh some sightings of strange

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which is an area you're very familiar

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with because it's not really that far

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people don't know where that is it's

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i guess about a half hour from valley

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forge just hour west of philadelphia

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it's it's near potts down pennsylvania

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for whatever reason

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sightings of these upright canines on

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at night

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by witnesses and i know to these two of

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but uh yeah uh what do you make of that

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recently and i'm gonna i'm gonna go back

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about six months that we've had

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reports of

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have been set up with cam camera traps

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uh we've had some strange shadows walk

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about past reports they've had past

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they just say creature but when they

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describe it it's basically along the

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lines of us of of us of a rake

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definitely they described it as a large

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uh large wolf bipedal and uh that was

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shot at i did get to talk to the

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gentleman that did the shooting

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that i've ever talked to about this

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always thinks like

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this shot was like out my back door into

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my backyard he says no it was actually

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across the cornfield and he said did i

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hit it i have no idea all i know is he

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said after i pulled the trigger the shot

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to talk about but he said i don't even

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know if it's worth talking about and of

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course when you know me i'm like yeah

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talk about it

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my back porch

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very big he said but the one alongside

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the house is so he said i usually walk

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my dog back and forth on that porch and

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he said that porch leads to another

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so he said when you look over the other

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he said and i'm just gonna say i can

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swear that what i saw is what i saw what

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i saw i don't know what i saw but here's

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what i saw oh okay

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and he said it was very tall

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he said eight ten foot easy no problem

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he said i'm 6'4 and he said it towered

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over me

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and he said i know that because there's

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a gate there and i put that gate up and

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i know how tall the gate is and it had

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to put its head down

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to get under the gate

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and i said well if it had to put its

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head down it wasn't

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something that wasn't there i mean

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it had to put its head down so if it

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would have walked forward it would have

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hit himself in the head

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and he said yeah but he said

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i thought about going in and grabbing a

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gun he said but there was

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five steps which were very large

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uh and it jumped over a small drainage

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ditch there which is about four foot

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and into the trees he said that's lazy

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sullivan so when i asked him when that

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one you know he kind of he hauled around

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he said it actually took place after i

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shot at the other one

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and i said okay so either shot at

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another one or it's the same one

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he said well yeah that's kind of what i

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he said he did talk to the gamers about

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it he talked to the

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park rangers about it they got took the

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report

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uh they were nice enough to share it and

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you know the story didn't change at all

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so um i got his permission to put two

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camera traps up at his place one goes

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out the back door where he has seen both

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both visitations

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one hits the field

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and the other one uh uh hits the uh

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from the side porch

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out to an open field now he doesn't grow

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anything it was a farm he's retired he

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said he doesn't farm anymore so he just

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cuts grass so it's a nice grassy open

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i said if you

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wouldn't mind if you look on the side of

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those cameras and i showed him i said if

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you push this button it'll show you how

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many pictures were taken

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this will these will only take a picture

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when somebody walks within 100 yards

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i said do you think it was in one within

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100 yards or do i have to move him up

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further he said no no no he said

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25 30 yards maybe

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i said okay so

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that that one and then uh there's

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another one that i've been working on

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now that's up in susquehanna county

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i'm getting it so piecemeal it's making

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me crazy

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you know i'm getting a little to this a

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little of that and remember this and

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then i have to get a hold of my buddy to

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find out what he remembers seeing it

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took place about five years ago

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and

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these guys are in their early 20s

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and up goofing around by the mines with

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motorcycles you know dirt bikes

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they'd stop take a break

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drink a beer of course they had beer

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and he said

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they were looking at one of the old

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mines which is pretty much all closed up

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except on the one side

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where the car is unloaded he said you

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can see there's a there's an opening so

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it's about four foot wide maybe six

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seven foot tall he said that was

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actually one into an office which is not

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there anymore and uh that's where the

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guy's going to get paid or clock in or

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whatever

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and he said standing in the doorway

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he said i've looked at your website i've

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seen that picture

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of your bipedal canine

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he said that was it

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he said no doubt about it no question

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he said i'll never go back here again i

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said well how about if i come up and go

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with he says no

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i ain't going anywhere i'm not going

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back there whether you or anybody else

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00:10:21,829 --> 00:10:19,680
comes there's something in that cave

290
00:10:24,470 --> 00:10:21,839
or in that mine and he says i don't want

291
00:10:25,509 --> 00:10:24,480
any parts of it and i said

292
00:10:26,949 --> 00:10:25,519
okay

293
00:10:30,829 --> 00:10:26,959
so

294
00:10:33,829 --> 00:10:32,389
snooker

295
00:10:35,509 --> 00:10:33,839
beg pleaded

296
00:10:38,550 --> 00:10:35,519
for one of my guys to go up there and

297
00:10:40,230 --> 00:10:38,560
take pictures of it of of the entrance

298
00:10:41,509 --> 00:10:40,240
now he said there's it's a big parking

299
00:10:43,430 --> 00:10:41,519
lot before that so he said there's no

300
00:10:45,110 --> 00:10:43,440
place to put a camera he said there's a

301
00:10:46,310 --> 00:10:45,120
fence there the fence is wide open

302
00:10:48,310 --> 00:10:46,320
anybody sees that camera it's going to

303
00:10:50,790 --> 00:10:48,320
be gone in a second

304
00:10:54,710 --> 00:10:53,190
he's going to go by um

305
00:10:55,910 --> 00:10:54,720
and

306
00:10:57,590 --> 00:10:55,920
do a little nosing around he's not

307
00:10:58,630 --> 00:10:57,600
afraid of the minds his dad was a minor

308
00:11:00,310 --> 00:10:58,640
for years

309
00:11:01,670 --> 00:11:00,320
so he's going to look around and i said

310
00:11:03,269 --> 00:11:01,680
well if you're looking around look for

311
00:11:04,949 --> 00:11:03,279
footprints

312
00:11:05,829 --> 00:11:04,959
look for anything that shouldn't be

313
00:11:07,990 --> 00:11:05,839
there

314
00:11:10,470 --> 00:11:08,000
that's what you want to look for

315
00:11:11,590 --> 00:11:10,480
so he said anything else i said when

316
00:11:13,829 --> 00:11:11,600
you're done

317
00:11:15,269 --> 00:11:13,839
i said i told you about the brown flower

318
00:11:17,990 --> 00:11:15,279
correct

319
00:11:19,590 --> 00:11:18,000
he said uh yeah i remember that i said

320
00:11:22,069 --> 00:11:19,600
okay he said i said get yourself five

321
00:11:23,190 --> 00:11:22,079
pounds of brown flour rye flour brown

322
00:11:25,430 --> 00:11:23,200
flour

323
00:11:27,350 --> 00:11:25,440
and i said as you leave sprinkle that in

324
00:11:29,030 --> 00:11:27,360
the area that you can stick your head in

325
00:11:30,389 --> 00:11:29,040
that door and see if anybody's been or

326
00:11:32,870 --> 00:11:30,399
anything has been reaching around in

327
00:11:34,870 --> 00:11:32,880
there i said there'll be a print

328
00:11:37,110 --> 00:11:34,880
i says is it dry he said yeah it's dry

329
00:11:38,630 --> 00:11:37,120
it's just no wet in there i said okay

330
00:11:40,790 --> 00:11:38,640
so we're going to try that see how that

331
00:11:41,910 --> 00:11:40,800
works out but

332
00:11:43,350 --> 00:11:41,920
i'm not real happy about putting the

333
00:11:44,470 --> 00:11:43,360
camera up there because he said you know

334
00:11:46,310 --> 00:11:44,480
it's going to be on a fence and you're

335
00:11:47,670 --> 00:11:46,320
going to see it as you come up the drive

336
00:11:49,190 --> 00:11:47,680
and he said you know somebody's going to

337
00:11:50,870 --> 00:11:49,200
steal it sure

338
00:11:51,670 --> 00:11:50,880
i said all right so we'll try it that

339
00:11:52,949 --> 00:11:51,680
way

340
00:11:54,629 --> 00:11:52,959
and then there's one other place we want

341
00:11:56,230 --> 00:11:54,639
to try where we've had a couple reports

342
00:11:58,629 --> 00:11:56,240
but they go back a couple years but

343
00:12:00,550 --> 00:11:58,639
they're still pretty much wide open

344
00:12:01,829 --> 00:12:00,560
i mean i did look into them years ago

345
00:12:03,910 --> 00:12:01,839
but it's

346
00:12:06,870 --> 00:12:03,920
it's just about when we started with

347
00:12:10,069 --> 00:12:06,880
clearfield when we got the first reports

348
00:12:12,470 --> 00:12:10,079
and um

349
00:12:13,990 --> 00:12:12,480
up above up above harrisburg where the

350
00:12:17,030 --> 00:12:14,000
uh well

351
00:12:19,110 --> 00:12:17,040
harrisburg be closer to

352
00:12:19,910 --> 00:12:19,120
is it like it might be like comey county

353
00:12:21,670 --> 00:12:19,920
but

354
00:12:24,389 --> 00:12:21,680
there's al where the old trains used to

355
00:12:26,470 --> 00:12:24,399
run from philadelphia to coal trains

356
00:12:29,110 --> 00:12:26,480
used to run from philadelphia

357
00:12:31,269 --> 00:12:29,120
out to ohio and back again so there were

358
00:12:32,710 --> 00:12:31,279
some coal some

359
00:12:34,949 --> 00:12:32,720
boxes

360
00:12:36,389 --> 00:12:34,959
but they closed the one

361
00:12:38,790 --> 00:12:36,399
house

362
00:12:40,150 --> 00:12:38,800
and i've been there i mean a little bit

363
00:12:42,389 --> 00:12:40,160
of work

364
00:12:44,150 --> 00:12:42,399
we have a nice little house i mean

365
00:12:46,389 --> 00:12:44,160
it's pretty big

366
00:12:48,389 --> 00:12:46,399
but

367
00:12:51,509 --> 00:12:48,399
we found scat in the basement

368
00:12:53,430 --> 00:12:51,519
and i had a test admin

369
00:12:54,629 --> 00:12:53,440
it was sold and dried out you know there

370
00:12:56,710 --> 00:12:54,639
they were there wasn't anything they

371
00:12:58,470 --> 00:12:56,720
could do with it other than say well

372
00:12:59,670 --> 00:12:58,480
it's not a deer you know it's nothing

373
00:13:01,509 --> 00:12:59,680
like that

374
00:13:04,710 --> 00:13:01,519
it's uh

375
00:13:07,030 --> 00:13:04,720
he said it's not human so he said it

376
00:13:09,590 --> 00:13:07,040
could be anything it could be a bear

377
00:13:11,269 --> 00:13:09,600
uh but it's i mean it's boarded up

378
00:13:13,269 --> 00:13:11,279
which cracks me up because

379
00:13:15,509 --> 00:13:13,279
everything's boarded up solid except the

380
00:13:18,230 --> 00:13:15,519
back door it's wide open turning turn

381
00:13:22,230 --> 00:13:18,240
the knob and open the door and walk in

382
00:13:23,590 --> 00:13:22,240
and um so it's it's uh

383
00:13:25,829 --> 00:13:23,600
it's pretty neat

384
00:13:27,670 --> 00:13:25,839
uh that now we're starting to get more

385
00:13:28,949 --> 00:13:27,680
information and people aren't

386
00:13:30,550 --> 00:13:28,959
in the very beginning they seem like

387
00:13:32,150 --> 00:13:30,560
they were very afraid to even talk about

388
00:13:34,790 --> 00:13:32,160
it you know

389
00:13:36,230 --> 00:13:34,800
they just don't want to talk about it

390
00:13:37,110 --> 00:13:36,240
and i still have a lot of people that

391
00:13:44,069 --> 00:13:37,120
you know

392
00:13:45,590 --> 00:13:44,079
indigenous thing or something like that

393
00:13:46,870 --> 00:13:45,600
which brings up

394
00:13:48,069 --> 00:13:46,880
well i'm thinking of it because i want

395
00:13:52,310 --> 00:13:48,079
to talk to you last time about it i

396
00:13:56,710 --> 00:13:54,069
and um

397
00:13:59,030 --> 00:13:56,720
old guy's still in good shape

398
00:14:00,870 --> 00:13:59,040
uh still hears all kind of garbage going

399
00:14:03,350 --> 00:14:00,880
around the uh

400
00:14:04,790 --> 00:14:03,360
the pond out there and i told him i said

401
00:14:06,790 --> 00:14:04,800
well i apologize for not getting back i

402
00:14:09,110 --> 00:14:06,800
said but i had a heart issue so i kind

403
00:14:10,870 --> 00:14:09,120
of got stuck here at the house

404
00:14:12,550 --> 00:14:10,880
but um

405
00:14:14,069 --> 00:14:12,560
while we're standing here talking i'm

406
00:14:15,990 --> 00:14:14,079
right where we were standing right next

407
00:14:18,550 --> 00:14:16,000
to it the truck was parked i'm looking

408
00:14:20,710 --> 00:14:18,560
across and there's the lights again

409
00:14:21,910 --> 00:14:20,720
the blue light and the red light across

410
00:14:23,189 --> 00:14:21,920
the field

411
00:14:24,629 --> 00:14:23,199
i'm going like

412
00:14:26,389 --> 00:14:24,639
this is nuts

413
00:14:37,750 --> 00:14:26,399
he says

414
00:14:38,949 --> 00:14:37,760
looking across that field matter of fact

415
00:14:40,949 --> 00:14:38,959
that front window looks right at that

416
00:14:43,990 --> 00:14:40,959
field he said i never see anything

417
00:14:46,150 --> 00:14:44,000
he said you show up the lights show up

418
00:14:48,790 --> 00:14:46,160
i said i kind of tried to play it off

419
00:14:49,910 --> 00:14:48,800
and that's my alter ego you know he just

420
00:14:51,110 --> 00:14:49,920
like laughed

421
00:14:52,790 --> 00:14:51,120
and i said

422
00:14:54,069 --> 00:14:52,800
i asked him if i could set a camera up

423
00:14:55,430 --> 00:14:54,079
with him

424
00:14:57,030 --> 00:14:55,440
and he said you can do anything you want

425
00:14:59,189 --> 00:14:57,040
here he said i don't care

426
00:15:00,470 --> 00:14:59,199
now the the barn is done the chicken

427
00:15:03,030 --> 00:15:00,480
barn is done

428
00:15:04,550 --> 00:15:03,040
um i did a scan of that infrared and

429
00:15:06,550 --> 00:15:04,560
thermal nothing

430
00:15:08,069 --> 00:15:06,560
uh the field is all plowed straight that

431
00:15:09,590 --> 00:15:08,079
big dirt mound that was there has moved

432
00:15:10,949 --> 00:15:09,600
that's gone

433
00:15:12,710 --> 00:15:10,959
and uh

434
00:15:14,230 --> 00:15:12,720
but he still hears noises coming out of

435
00:15:16,310 --> 00:15:14,240
the pond

436
00:15:18,470 --> 00:15:16,320
um

437
00:15:20,069 --> 00:15:18,480
something happened

438
00:15:22,069 --> 00:15:20,079
at the

439
00:15:23,590 --> 00:15:22,079
new chicken barn

440
00:15:25,269 --> 00:15:23,600
which he said

441
00:15:26,790 --> 00:15:25,279
nobody wants to talk about it he said

442
00:15:28,470 --> 00:15:26,800
but something happened

443
00:15:29,749 --> 00:15:28,480
i said you know like somebody get hurt

444
00:15:31,269 --> 00:15:29,759
or something like that he said no

445
00:15:33,829 --> 00:15:31,279
something happened

446
00:15:35,430 --> 00:15:33,839
and i said well you know who's the owner

447
00:15:37,189 --> 00:15:35,440
and he told me who the owner was he says

448
00:15:39,990 --> 00:15:37,199
third farm up the road

449
00:15:42,069 --> 00:15:40,000
so i did stop but there was nobody there

450
00:15:43,590 --> 00:15:42,079
i thought okay so

451
00:15:45,189 --> 00:15:43,600
i'm gonna try and hit it again see if i

452
00:15:46,710 --> 00:15:45,199
can talk to

453
00:15:48,230 --> 00:15:46,720
the uh

454
00:15:49,670 --> 00:15:48,240
guy that owns that

455
00:15:51,590 --> 00:15:49,680
chicken barn

456
00:15:55,030 --> 00:15:51,600
and see what actually happened i mean if

457
00:15:57,110 --> 00:15:55,040
they see something that something

458
00:15:59,269 --> 00:15:57,120
move on its own or something appear or

459
00:16:02,150 --> 00:15:59,279
disappear or something like that

460
00:16:05,590 --> 00:16:04,230
crazy some of the stuff that's coming up

461
00:16:07,430 --> 00:16:05,600
now is just

462
00:16:08,790 --> 00:16:07,440
it's just crazy

463
00:16:10,949 --> 00:16:08,800
i mean and these are like these

464
00:16:12,470 --> 00:16:10,959
invisible the visible and invisible

465
00:16:13,590 --> 00:16:12,480
soldiers

466
00:16:15,430 --> 00:16:13,600
like

467
00:16:17,110 --> 00:16:15,440
that's weird now

468
00:16:20,230 --> 00:16:17,120
like i said i've seen that stuff in you

469
00:16:23,030 --> 00:16:20,240
know in gettysburg photograph video

470
00:16:24,629 --> 00:16:23,040
but never up in that area never

471
00:16:26,550 --> 00:16:24,639
i did a background search i couldn't

472
00:16:28,150 --> 00:16:26,560
find anything you know

473
00:16:30,550 --> 00:16:28,160
well like you said you know that was

474
00:16:33,430 --> 00:16:30,560
near dover air force base and for those

475
00:16:35,670 --> 00:16:33,440
unfamiliar since vietnam

476
00:16:40,150 --> 00:16:35,680
uh

477
00:16:41,749 --> 00:16:40,160
military death dead would be

478
00:16:44,389 --> 00:16:41,759
brought into

479
00:16:47,509 --> 00:16:44,399
dover for autopsies and

480
00:16:49,189 --> 00:16:47,519
for distribution to wherever

481
00:16:51,269 --> 00:16:49,199
so the fact that

482
00:16:52,710 --> 00:16:51,279
some apparitions were being

483
00:16:53,910 --> 00:16:52,720
showing up in that area doesn't really

484
00:16:55,829 --> 00:16:53,920
surprise me

485
00:16:56,870 --> 00:16:55,839
so you know we don't hear much about

486
00:16:58,230 --> 00:16:56,880
that

487
00:16:59,829 --> 00:16:58,240
you know there have been thousands and

488
00:17:02,870 --> 00:16:59,839
thousands of bodies that have come

489
00:17:04,789 --> 00:17:02,880
through there over the years so

490
00:17:06,710 --> 00:17:04,799
who knows maybe that's what's going

491
00:17:07,990 --> 00:17:06,720
being seen up there

492
00:17:10,390 --> 00:17:08,000
well

493
00:17:11,750 --> 00:17:10,400
another thing was the the five walking

494
00:17:13,750 --> 00:17:11,760
up the road

495
00:17:15,750 --> 00:17:13,760
and i said how long from the first

496
00:17:17,270 --> 00:17:15,760
sighting to the second group from the

497
00:17:19,750 --> 00:17:17,280
single guy to the second group and he

498
00:17:22,630 --> 00:17:19,760
said 10 minutes maybe

499
00:17:23,990 --> 00:17:22,640
but the the common denominator the only

500
00:17:24,870 --> 00:17:24,000
common denominator in the whole thing

501
00:17:29,750 --> 00:17:24,880
was

502
00:17:31,750 --> 00:17:29,760
came out of the fog

503
00:17:32,789 --> 00:17:31,760
they walked out of the fog

504
00:17:39,990 --> 00:17:32,799
now

505
00:17:41,990 --> 00:17:40,000
play in these things

506
00:17:44,830 --> 00:17:42,000
um

507
00:17:49,430 --> 00:17:44,840
i know that cemeteries

508
00:17:51,909 --> 00:17:49,440
uh old corners old funeral homes uh old

509
00:17:53,110 --> 00:17:51,919
hospitals have a lot of that stuff

510
00:17:55,990 --> 00:17:53,120
but

511
00:17:57,990 --> 00:17:56,000
i told him to keep his eye out and um

512
00:18:00,230 --> 00:17:58,000
he's gonna take his camera to work

513
00:18:01,990 --> 00:18:00,240
a video cam well that'd be good i mean

514
00:18:05,270 --> 00:18:02,000
it'd be nice to see if it shows back up

515
00:18:05,670 --> 00:18:05,280
it was just not residual or repeating

516
00:18:06,870 --> 00:18:05,680
um

517
00:18:08,390 --> 00:18:06,880
[Music]

518
00:18:11,110 --> 00:18:08,400
but you know if it's something different

519
00:18:12,870 --> 00:18:11,120
that comes up every once in a while

520
00:18:14,630 --> 00:18:12,880
when he started to describe it to me he

521
00:18:16,390 --> 00:18:14,640
says now you may think i'm goofy now he

522
00:18:19,190 --> 00:18:16,400
was not in vietnam he was not in that

523
00:18:20,549 --> 00:18:19,200
era right

524
00:18:22,710 --> 00:18:20,559
i think he was

525
00:18:25,029 --> 00:18:22,720
our national guard pa national guard i

526
00:18:26,470 --> 00:18:25,039
think iran or one of those places but

527
00:18:29,430 --> 00:18:26,480
anyway

528
00:18:30,789 --> 00:18:29,440
and he says i recognized the uniform

529
00:18:33,430 --> 00:18:30,799
right away

530
00:18:35,029 --> 00:18:33,440
he said all green

531
00:18:38,070 --> 00:18:35,039
the helmet

532
00:18:39,510 --> 00:18:38,080
the m16 with a 15 round clip

533
00:18:41,909 --> 00:18:39,520
i mean they don't even make 15 round

534
00:18:44,870 --> 00:18:41,919
clips yeah that's army infantry that's

535
00:18:46,710 --> 00:18:44,880
yeah uh he said canteen the bayonet he

536
00:18:49,029 --> 00:18:46,720
said i could see the the rucksack

537
00:18:52,549 --> 00:18:49,039
hanging off the back of his off off the

538
00:18:54,150 --> 00:18:52,559
side of his belt i'm like jesus he said

539
00:18:56,630 --> 00:18:54,160
the boots

540
00:18:58,310 --> 00:18:56,640
the nylon black leather

541
00:19:00,950 --> 00:18:58,320
everything he said

542
00:19:03,430 --> 00:19:00,960
right on the money the the first aid

543
00:19:06,070 --> 00:19:03,440
pack on the front of the belt he said i

544
00:19:08,230 --> 00:19:06,080
said you saw all that he said i watched

545
00:19:11,669 --> 00:19:08,240
this guy walk up to me from 25 30 feet

546
00:19:13,029 --> 00:19:11,679
away yeah that's unusual and he said he

547
00:19:15,270 --> 00:19:13,039
at first he thought it was one of the

548
00:19:16,549 --> 00:19:15,280
guys

549
00:19:18,150 --> 00:19:16,559
because they do have weapons there you

550
00:19:19,909 --> 00:19:18,160
know it's a military installation where

551
00:19:21,110 --> 00:19:19,919
they're at and

552
00:19:22,150 --> 00:19:21,120
and uh

553
00:19:23,430 --> 00:19:22,160
he said he just thought it was one of

554
00:19:27,029 --> 00:19:23,440
the guys coming to check in because they

555
00:19:29,029 --> 00:19:27,039
do carry an m4 rifle and a handgun

556
00:19:30,789 --> 00:19:29,039
but

557
00:19:32,310 --> 00:19:30,799
he said it was like walking looking back

558
00:19:34,390 --> 00:19:32,320
in history

559
00:19:37,830 --> 00:19:34,400
and then shortly after that these five

560
00:19:39,350 --> 00:19:37,840
walk out out of the out of the fog and

561
00:19:40,710 --> 00:19:39,360
he says they were walking in a straight

562
00:19:41,990 --> 00:19:40,720
line

563
00:19:43,350 --> 00:19:42,000
almost like

564
00:19:44,549 --> 00:19:43,360
they weren't marching but it's almost

565
00:19:45,750 --> 00:19:44,559
like they were marching they were in a

566
00:19:48,310 --> 00:19:45,760
straight line

567
00:19:49,750 --> 00:19:48,320
heading up the road and he said and they

568
00:19:54,230 --> 00:19:49,760
just

569
00:19:59,190 --> 00:19:57,350
now you had talked earlier about the um

570
00:20:01,350 --> 00:19:59,200
about the farm that's up there in

571
00:20:02,630 --> 00:20:01,360
northern lancaster county up there above

572
00:20:04,149 --> 00:20:02,640
adamstown

573
00:20:05,750 --> 00:20:04,159
um

574
00:20:07,190 --> 00:20:05,760
yeah well of course we've been out there

575
00:20:09,350 --> 00:20:07,200
i've been out there as matt's been out

576
00:20:11,909 --> 00:20:09,360
there and um

577
00:20:13,990 --> 00:20:11,919
uh actually if you

578
00:20:15,430 --> 00:20:14,000
read the book uh in my book alien

579
00:20:18,070 --> 00:20:15,440
disclosure

580
00:20:20,789 --> 00:20:18,080
uh experiences exposed reality there's a

581
00:20:23,270 --> 00:20:20,799
chapter in there about that but anyway

582
00:20:26,390 --> 00:20:23,280
yeah a strange place um

583
00:20:29,029 --> 00:20:26,400
when we went up there what was that 2018

584
00:20:29,909 --> 00:20:29,039
february 2018

585
00:20:32,070 --> 00:20:29,919
uh

586
00:20:34,470 --> 00:20:32,080
they had been working in the area and

587
00:20:36,470 --> 00:20:34,480
moving dirt around they had they were

588
00:20:38,070 --> 00:20:36,480
constructing a

589
00:20:40,870 --> 00:20:38,080
a long

590
00:20:42,310 --> 00:20:40,880
chicken house um

591
00:20:44,390 --> 00:20:42,320
god please look like it was probably

592
00:20:46,149 --> 00:20:44,400
about a hundred yards or more long it's

593
00:20:49,590 --> 00:20:46,159
a huge thing

594
00:20:50,950 --> 00:20:49,600
and they were there were apparitions and

595
00:20:53,510 --> 00:20:50,960
glimmer man

596
00:20:55,270 --> 00:20:53,520
type beans being seen there and

597
00:20:57,430 --> 00:20:55,280
when i was up there you and matt were

598
00:20:59,350 --> 00:20:57,440
looking at the uh

599
00:21:01,110 --> 00:20:59,360
at the infrared and they were showing up

600
00:21:04,710 --> 00:21:01,120
on that but

601
00:21:07,830 --> 00:21:04,720
they were showing up as cold actually

602
00:21:09,750 --> 00:21:07,840
yeah and which was weird so i i you know

603
00:21:12,070 --> 00:21:09,760
me i'm have to walk out there and see

604
00:21:13,270 --> 00:21:12,080
what's going on and uh

605
00:21:15,669 --> 00:21:13,280
uh

606
00:21:16,789 --> 00:21:15,679
i just got the sense this was some type

607
00:21:20,149 --> 00:21:16,799
of

608
00:21:22,470 --> 00:21:20,159
century thing at indigenous century

609
00:21:23,909 --> 00:21:22,480
placement possibly i don't think it was

610
00:21:25,830 --> 00:21:23,919
i don't think it was a graveyard or

611
00:21:27,909 --> 00:21:25,840
anything like that but i do think

612
00:21:29,669 --> 00:21:27,919
and from what i've read i i do think it

613
00:21:31,909 --> 00:21:29,679
might have been a cremation site for

614
00:21:33,909 --> 00:21:31,919
susquehanna possibly

615
00:21:38,149 --> 00:21:33,919
yeah well that's they burned all their

616
00:21:40,230 --> 00:21:38,159
yeah they they cremated everything so um

617
00:21:42,070 --> 00:21:40,240
and then of course with that pond and

618
00:21:44,710 --> 00:21:42,080
you said your witness the guy who lives

619
00:21:46,789 --> 00:21:44,720
there has heard it as well later on

620
00:21:48,149 --> 00:21:46,799
i mean i told you that night i mean when

621
00:21:49,669 --> 00:21:48,159
i'm standing here looking at this

622
00:21:51,029 --> 00:21:49,679
building and on my right side of the

623
00:21:53,110 --> 00:21:51,039
pond

624
00:21:56,149 --> 00:21:53,120
i start hearing drumming and chanting

625
00:21:58,630 --> 00:21:56,159
and such and uh you know

626
00:22:01,190 --> 00:21:58,640
it's kind of hard not to notice that

627
00:22:03,190 --> 00:22:01,200
when that's going on so um

628
00:22:04,950 --> 00:22:03,200
yeah maybe that's what was going on you

629
00:22:08,070 --> 00:22:04,960
know like i said it's all written out in

630
00:22:10,310 --> 00:22:08,080
the book we had actually the least did a

631
00:22:12,710 --> 00:22:10,320
rv on that place

632
00:22:14,870 --> 00:22:12,720
uh and address some of the ufo activity

633
00:22:17,029 --> 00:22:14,880
in the valley as well

634
00:22:18,789 --> 00:22:17,039
and uh he talked about the lights and we

635
00:22:20,070 --> 00:22:18,799
saw the lights and then didn't know

636
00:22:21,430 --> 00:22:20,080
where the hell they were coming from

637
00:22:23,350 --> 00:22:21,440
though i guess it was maybe a half a

638
00:22:24,710 --> 00:22:23,360
mile across the valley there

639
00:22:26,230 --> 00:22:24,720
yeah and then there's a road there and

640
00:22:27,669 --> 00:22:26,240
you know i was up and down that road

641
00:22:29,110 --> 00:22:27,679
daylight i was up and down that road at

642
00:22:30,950 --> 00:22:29,120
night and there's nothing there there's

643
00:22:33,990 --> 00:22:30,960
no

644
00:22:36,070 --> 00:22:34,000
like some of these townships have their

645
00:22:38,230 --> 00:22:36,080
pumps out you know

646
00:22:39,510 --> 00:22:38,240
and you know they flash lights but

647
00:22:41,510 --> 00:22:39,520
there's nothing like that there's no

648
00:22:44,549 --> 00:22:41,520
electrical boxes matter of fact there's

649
00:22:46,390 --> 00:22:44,559
no power poles around there now off to

650
00:22:48,230 --> 00:22:46,400
the left of the lights looking at the

651
00:22:50,630 --> 00:22:48,240
lights from the farm

652
00:22:52,310 --> 00:22:50,640
there's a a power line going up through

653
00:22:54,230 --> 00:22:52,320
but there's there's nothing there i mean

654
00:22:56,070 --> 00:22:54,240
they don't they start up on top of

655
00:22:57,590 --> 00:22:56,080
almost top of the hill they're not they

656
00:22:59,669 --> 00:22:57,600
don't start at the bottom and go up they

657
00:23:01,590 --> 00:22:59,679
start probably about halfway up

658
00:23:03,110 --> 00:23:01,600
because there's a flat up there now you

659
00:23:04,630 --> 00:23:03,120
can't drive up there but there's a flat

660
00:23:06,390 --> 00:23:04,640
and that's where they start

661
00:23:09,270 --> 00:23:06,400
so i imagine there's an access road for

662
00:23:11,029 --> 00:23:09,280
the power company but

663
00:23:12,149 --> 00:23:11,039
when he said that he said that those

664
00:23:13,029 --> 00:23:12,159
lights are only here when you're here

665
00:23:14,950 --> 00:23:13,039
well

666
00:23:16,789 --> 00:23:14,960
it's a high energy area because there's

667
00:23:17,750 --> 00:23:16,799
a lot of spring a lot of springs in

668
00:23:19,270 --> 00:23:17,760
there

669
00:23:23,029 --> 00:23:19,280
actually one thing when i started

670
00:23:24,549 --> 00:23:23,039
looking on the top topography map and uh

671
00:23:27,350 --> 00:23:24,559
when i started looking at the valley

672
00:23:29,669 --> 00:23:27,360
there and this valley extends

673
00:23:34,830 --> 00:23:29,679
between i guess maybe the lebanon county

674
00:23:34,840 --> 00:23:38,470
yeah and uh

675
00:23:42,950 --> 00:23:40,470
yeah i mean you know when you get a lot

676
00:23:44,149 --> 00:23:42,960
of a lot of natural water sources in one

677
00:23:47,029 --> 00:23:44,159
area you're going to get a lot of

678
00:23:49,669 --> 00:23:47,039
activity and i imagine you did just knew

679
00:23:53,430 --> 00:23:49,679
that but and from lancaster uh from

680
00:23:55,909 --> 00:23:53,440
their historical society i mean

681
00:23:57,750 --> 00:23:55,919
for where you get on the road there uh

682
00:23:59,830 --> 00:23:57,760
all the way

683
00:24:01,990 --> 00:23:59,840
beyond lebanon actually

684
00:24:03,510 --> 00:24:02,000
about 10-15 miles that was all indian

685
00:24:05,269 --> 00:24:03,520
territory

686
00:24:06,149 --> 00:24:05,279
no white people down there no farms or

687
00:24:08,149 --> 00:24:06,159
anything

688
00:24:10,070 --> 00:24:08,159
that would just be

689
00:24:11,909 --> 00:24:10,080
yeah i mean yeah you're right that was

690
00:24:13,830 --> 00:24:11,919
wilderness basically i mean up until

691
00:24:18,470 --> 00:24:13,840
maybe

692
00:24:20,549 --> 00:24:18,480
and

693
00:24:25,029 --> 00:24:20,559
i mean

694
00:24:29,669 --> 00:24:27,909
from the susquehanna but it was still it

695
00:24:32,310 --> 00:24:29,679
was still wilderness

696
00:24:33,669 --> 00:24:32,320
so and there were i believe when i read

697
00:24:35,430 --> 00:24:33,679
that stuff at the historical so there

698
00:24:37,110 --> 00:24:35,440
were like three tribes such behind it of

699
00:24:38,310 --> 00:24:37,120
course for the biggest

700
00:24:40,149 --> 00:24:38,320
and then there were a couple smaller

701
00:24:42,070 --> 00:24:40,159
tribes and one was actually an offshoot

702
00:24:43,510 --> 00:24:42,080
of mohawk they were always at war with

703
00:24:45,190 --> 00:24:43,520
each other right

704
00:24:46,630 --> 00:24:45,200
i mean that was a daily but you know get

705
00:24:48,310 --> 00:24:46,640
up in the morning have you have your

706
00:24:49,909 --> 00:24:48,320
wheaties grab your tomahawk and you pull

707
00:24:51,350 --> 00:24:49,919
it out

708
00:24:53,430 --> 00:24:51,360
go kill somebody

709
00:24:56,149 --> 00:24:53,440
and and uh and they were great for

710
00:24:58,630 --> 00:24:56,159
capturing they love capturing so they

711
00:25:00,870 --> 00:24:58,640
they use uh according to the sparkle

712
00:25:02,470 --> 00:25:00,880
stuff you know they'd capture these uh

713
00:25:03,990 --> 00:25:02,480
other tribes and they'd work them pretty

714
00:25:05,750 --> 00:25:04,000
much to death and then

715
00:25:07,110 --> 00:25:05,760
you know turn them over to somebody else

716
00:25:08,710 --> 00:25:07,120
and then they you know get about their

717
00:25:12,070 --> 00:25:08,720
skin and then burning and carrying on

718
00:25:14,950 --> 00:25:12,080
you know in pennsylvania especially it's

719
00:25:17,269 --> 00:25:14,960
pretty hard to distinguish

720
00:25:19,190 --> 00:25:17,279
you know when you go into an

721
00:25:20,870 --> 00:25:19,200
investigation it's hard to distinguish

722
00:25:22,630 --> 00:25:20,880
which tribe was there at the time things

723
00:25:25,269 --> 00:25:22,640
going on because

724
00:25:27,750 --> 00:25:25,279
uh you know at least where we're at here

725
00:25:28,549 --> 00:25:27,760
in south central pennsylvania i mean you

726
00:25:32,549 --> 00:25:28,559
had

727
00:25:34,070 --> 00:25:32,559
they got pushed back into delaware

728
00:25:36,070 --> 00:25:34,080
then uh

729
00:25:39,350 --> 00:25:36,080
then you had the uh

730
00:25:40,870 --> 00:25:39,360
the shawnee and uh leninake and which

731
00:25:43,110 --> 00:25:40,880
was the delaware

732
00:25:45,669 --> 00:25:43,120
and uh

733
00:25:47,430 --> 00:25:45,679
also we had uh pal hatton who actually

734
00:25:48,710 --> 00:25:47,440
moved up there later on from down

735
00:25:50,630 --> 00:25:48,720
virginia

736
00:25:52,230 --> 00:25:50,640
so you know there's been a lot of tribes

737
00:25:54,149 --> 00:25:52,240
in in pennsylvania of course north of

738
00:25:55,190 --> 00:25:54,159
there you got all the iroquois tribes

739
00:25:57,590 --> 00:25:55,200
that are

740
00:25:59,190 --> 00:25:57,600
just everywhere so yeah they were

741
00:26:01,430 --> 00:25:59,200
warring a lot they weren't just fighting

742
00:26:04,470 --> 00:26:01,440
settlers they were fighting each other

743
00:26:06,630 --> 00:26:04,480
uh and uh well up in alberta up in

744
00:26:09,269 --> 00:26:06,640
alberta's pa which hearing

745
00:26:10,789 --> 00:26:09,279
they you know they claim that to be uh

746
00:26:13,350 --> 00:26:10,799
there's a foundry there and the foundry

747
00:26:17,350 --> 00:26:13,360
made cannonballs uh for the civil war

748
00:26:19,909 --> 00:26:17,360
and some some military uh arms parts

749
00:26:21,110 --> 00:26:19,919
and uh actually before they built that

750
00:26:23,350 --> 00:26:21,120
foundry

751
00:26:26,470 --> 00:26:23,360
uh that was a

752
00:26:27,590 --> 00:26:26,480
let it be um reservation

753
00:26:29,830 --> 00:26:27,600
and

754
00:26:31,830 --> 00:26:29,840
they they were warring with somebody i

755
00:26:32,710 --> 00:26:31,840
forget who it was anymore but another

756
00:26:34,230 --> 00:26:32,720
tribe

757
00:26:37,669 --> 00:26:34,240
and they pretty much wiped each other

758
00:26:39,909 --> 00:26:37,679
out and burial mounds if you walk

759
00:26:41,510 --> 00:26:39,919
from the foundry which is turned into a

760
00:26:42,789 --> 00:26:41,520
museum now but when you walk through the

761
00:26:44,950 --> 00:26:42,799
foundry

762
00:26:45,830 --> 00:26:44,960
and uh across the field

763
00:26:48,470 --> 00:26:45,840
and

764
00:26:51,029 --> 00:26:48,480
it just kind of inclines up just a

765
00:26:53,350 --> 00:26:51,039
slight bit and then it flattens out you

766
00:26:54,950 --> 00:26:53,360
can see the mounds the burial mounds

767
00:26:56,710 --> 00:26:54,960
they're just like one after another you

768
00:26:58,630 --> 00:26:56,720
can you can walk you can't walk between

769
00:27:00,070 --> 00:26:58,640
them that's how close they are

770
00:27:01,350 --> 00:27:00,080
and they've been pretty much basically

771
00:27:02,870 --> 00:27:01,360
they fought to the last man and they

772
00:27:04,549 --> 00:27:02,880
just wiped each other out period yeah

773
00:27:06,149 --> 00:27:04,559
those burial mounds

774
00:27:07,269 --> 00:27:06,159
i mean i have a believer probably

775
00:27:09,350 --> 00:27:07,279
delaware

776
00:27:12,070 --> 00:27:09,360
uh either doe or hatton came in there

777
00:27:14,310 --> 00:27:12,080
later because um

778
00:27:17,269 --> 00:27:14,320
yeah i mean i i doubt i know what

779
00:27:18,789 --> 00:27:17,279
suspect and then shawnee

780
00:27:20,389 --> 00:27:18,799
yeah you know i don't think it was sean

781
00:27:22,470 --> 00:27:20,399
either but anyway

782
00:27:23,990 --> 00:27:22,480
yeah um so folks if you got any

783
00:27:27,190 --> 00:27:24,000
questions

784
00:27:29,190 --> 00:27:27,200
uh people in chat uh go ahead and put it

785
00:27:30,470 --> 00:27:29,200
in in in uh

786
00:27:33,510 --> 00:27:30,480
caps

787
00:27:35,029 --> 00:27:33,520
and put it up there and then bill and uh

788
00:27:37,110 --> 00:27:35,039
and vince will

789
00:27:39,510 --> 00:27:37,120
put it up here for us to answer

790
00:27:41,190 --> 00:27:39,520
but we are talking specifically about

791
00:27:43,350 --> 00:27:41,200
dog man and upright canines in

792
00:27:45,110 --> 00:27:43,360
pennsylvania now of course we had we had

793
00:27:47,510 --> 00:27:45,120
james west there

794
00:27:48,630 --> 00:27:47,520
with us uh two weeks ago in greene

795
00:27:50,789 --> 00:27:48,640
county

796
00:27:52,310 --> 00:27:50,799
which was quite interesting with he had

797
00:27:54,710 --> 00:27:52,320
the attacks

798
00:27:56,789 --> 00:27:54,720
uh butch do you use wireless mobile

799
00:28:00,630 --> 00:27:56,799
carrier trail cams

800
00:28:04,310 --> 00:28:02,789
there you go

801
00:28:05,990 --> 00:28:04,320
it's a wonder we haven't had any ripped

802
00:28:07,909 --> 00:28:06,000
off i mean it is

803
00:28:09,430 --> 00:28:07,919
yeah i'm amazed because at the one time

804
00:28:10,710 --> 00:28:09,440
down at the at the state game lanes

805
00:28:13,350 --> 00:28:10,720
there i had six

806
00:28:15,430 --> 00:28:13,360
i had six set up so and nobody messed

807
00:28:17,590 --> 00:28:15,440
with them but you know they have 24 7

808
00:28:18,710 --> 00:28:17,600
police there so yeah well that what's at

809
00:28:19,510 --> 00:28:18,720
french creek

810
00:28:23,669 --> 00:28:19,520
yeah

811
00:28:26,230 --> 00:28:23,679
that's a bizarre place that's bucks

812
00:28:28,549 --> 00:28:26,240
county right or is that uh no that would

813
00:28:29,990 --> 00:28:28,559
be montgomery montgomery county okay

814
00:28:31,830 --> 00:28:30,000
well well half of it's in berkshire and

815
00:28:34,870 --> 00:28:31,840
hampton montgomery and a little bit of

816
00:28:38,630 --> 00:28:37,029
so he got you know go ahead and flash it

817
00:28:41,029 --> 00:28:38,640
up here folks let us know what you got

818
00:28:43,350 --> 00:28:41,039
what you want to find out about these

819
00:28:46,630 --> 00:28:43,360
investigations we've been doing

820
00:28:48,549 --> 00:28:46,640
before oh god i don't know in what 2017

821
00:28:51,350 --> 00:28:48,559
maybe we started doing a lot when it was

822
00:28:53,669 --> 00:28:51,360
before that yeah i guess by the time we

823
00:28:55,669 --> 00:28:53,679
were working on the uh yeah you know

824
00:28:56,789 --> 00:28:55,679
when i met butch

825
00:28:58,789 --> 00:28:56,799
uh

826
00:29:00,470 --> 00:28:58,799
we got we hooked up on the todd sees

827
00:29:01,669 --> 00:29:00,480
thing and that's what we were working on

828
00:29:03,750 --> 00:29:01,679
together

829
00:29:06,149 --> 00:29:03,760
and then i started telling butch about

830
00:29:07,510 --> 00:29:06,159
upright canines and dogman and got him

831
00:29:08,310 --> 00:29:07,520
all

832
00:29:11,190 --> 00:29:08,320
off

833
00:29:13,350 --> 00:29:11,200
worked into all the decrypted stuff and

834
00:29:14,950 --> 00:29:13,360
that's where we are now

835
00:29:19,269 --> 00:29:14,960
uh

836
00:29:21,669 --> 00:29:19,279
dogman cryptid reports

837
00:29:25,990 --> 00:29:23,750
i do there's uh quite a few of them as a

838
00:29:28,470 --> 00:29:26,000
matter of fact yeah

839
00:29:31,830 --> 00:29:28,480
uh just a bunch just showed up in uh

840
00:29:36,470 --> 00:29:33,350
yeah you know there's always been

841
00:29:37,669 --> 00:29:36,480
there's always been a cryptic canine

842
00:29:38,549 --> 00:29:37,679
phenomena

843
00:29:40,870 --> 00:29:38,559
you know

844
00:29:43,510 --> 00:29:40,880
cannon chase is the area what i think of

845
00:29:46,070 --> 00:29:43,520
mostly because um

846
00:29:47,990 --> 00:29:46,080
you know the the big you know black

847
00:29:49,590 --> 00:29:48,000
hounds and all that people see i don't

848
00:29:52,549 --> 00:29:49,600
know if they're hyper apparitions or

849
00:29:54,230 --> 00:29:52,559
what they are or something else but

850
00:29:56,549 --> 00:29:54,240
you know they still show up once in a

851
00:29:59,190 --> 00:29:56,559
while so yeah there's a there's a lot of

852
00:30:02,230 --> 00:29:59,200
those uh reports up there

853
00:30:04,070 --> 00:30:02,240
uh how much input do native americans

854
00:30:05,990 --> 00:30:04,080
have in research on cryptids and

855
00:30:07,269 --> 00:30:06,000
paranormal research

856
00:30:09,110 --> 00:30:07,279
watch

857
00:30:11,590 --> 00:30:09,120
lodge yeah

858
00:30:13,510 --> 00:30:11,600
i i think here in pennsylvania is pretty

859
00:30:14,870 --> 00:30:13,520
prominent now

860
00:30:16,549 --> 00:30:14,880
of course you never know what you're

861
00:30:19,669 --> 00:30:16,559
going to run into just like what we've

862
00:30:21,830 --> 00:30:19,679
been doing out in chicago

863
00:30:23,590 --> 00:30:21,840
you know we really didn't have much idea

864
00:30:26,789 --> 00:30:23,600
of what was actually going on but of

865
00:30:28,149 --> 00:30:26,799
course with all the revelations recently

866
00:30:31,110 --> 00:30:28,159
and uh

867
00:30:31,990 --> 00:30:31,120
and some of the references to

868
00:30:34,630 --> 00:30:32,000
uh

869
00:30:36,789 --> 00:30:34,640
actual kachinas from out of the zuni

870
00:30:39,909 --> 00:30:36,799
opie indian tribes and

871
00:30:42,710 --> 00:30:39,919
maybe a connection to what's going on in

872
00:30:45,590 --> 00:30:42,720
in illinois and chicago around that area

873
00:30:48,149 --> 00:30:45,600
there there happens to be a three

874
00:30:49,990 --> 00:30:48,159
uh a three tribal council in that area

875
00:30:51,590 --> 00:30:50,000
as well so you know that's something

876
00:30:54,070 --> 00:30:51,600
we're looking into but of course in

877
00:30:55,669 --> 00:30:54,080
pennsylvania it's it's it it

878
00:30:58,070 --> 00:30:55,679
it's important

879
00:31:00,230 --> 00:30:58,080
and then funny how much the

880
00:31:04,710 --> 00:31:00,240
hopi have played into the

881
00:31:06,710 --> 00:31:04,720
uh upright canines um yeah

882
00:31:08,070 --> 00:31:06,720
and all the others all the other indian

883
00:31:10,789 --> 00:31:08,080
stuff i mean but that's what we're

884
00:31:12,149 --> 00:31:10,799
working on i mean i

885
00:31:14,470 --> 00:31:12,159
you know i've been able to get some

886
00:31:17,110 --> 00:31:14,480
sources over the years and of course

887
00:31:19,669 --> 00:31:17,120
we're always working other sources

888
00:31:21,430 --> 00:31:19,679
but uh yeah um

889
00:31:23,190 --> 00:31:21,440
there is a connection now court people

890
00:31:24,870 --> 00:31:23,200
are saying other skin walkers well this

891
00:31:26,630 --> 00:31:24,880
has nothing to do with black magic or

892
00:31:29,190 --> 00:31:26,640
anything like that this is

893
00:31:32,310 --> 00:31:29,200
this is the actual traditional

894
00:31:35,029 --> 00:31:32,320
the traditional um

895
00:31:37,269 --> 00:31:35,039
phenomena that folks had seen over the

896
00:31:39,430 --> 00:31:37,279
years that knew they weren't skin

897
00:31:40,950 --> 00:31:39,440
walkers and uh

898
00:31:43,590 --> 00:31:40,960
what kind of connection there is

899
00:31:44,549 --> 00:31:43,600
naturally to what people are seeing now

900
00:31:47,909 --> 00:31:44,559
so

901
00:31:49,990 --> 00:31:47,919
more information

902
00:31:51,509 --> 00:31:50,000
center county activity oh there's always

903
00:31:52,470 --> 00:31:51,519
something going on in center county in

904
00:31:54,710 --> 00:31:52,480
the butch

905
00:31:56,630 --> 00:31:54,720
look you got that right uh

906
00:31:57,990 --> 00:31:56,640
yeah but

907
00:32:00,470 --> 00:31:58,000
it's funny

908
00:32:02,230 --> 00:32:00,480
when you look at the uh the bipedal map

909
00:32:05,909 --> 00:32:02,240
um

910
00:32:11,590 --> 00:32:08,870
they seem to cluster in north central

911
00:32:13,350 --> 00:32:11,600
but then you have a bunch down here and

912
00:32:15,430 --> 00:32:13,360
you have a bunch over here and you have

913
00:32:18,070 --> 00:32:15,440
some scattered over here

914
00:32:20,710 --> 00:32:18,080
but some of these reports go back to the

915
00:32:21,750 --> 00:32:20,720
mid 1700s oh yeah

916
00:32:23,190 --> 00:32:21,760
yeah

917
00:32:25,750 --> 00:32:23,200
and my center

918
00:32:27,190 --> 00:32:25,760
yeah center county has been busy i mean

919
00:32:29,990 --> 00:32:27,200
we had a

920
00:32:33,029 --> 00:32:30,000
i i think we probably had at least four

921
00:32:36,070 --> 00:32:33,039
reports in that in center county

922
00:32:37,830 --> 00:32:36,080
um rothrock

923
00:32:40,149 --> 00:32:37,840
some of the other state game lands

924
00:32:42,710 --> 00:32:40,159
around there um

925
00:32:43,669 --> 00:32:42,720
had one not too far out of uh

926
00:32:46,230 --> 00:32:43,679
uh

927
00:32:48,710 --> 00:32:46,240
out of state college

928
00:32:54,950 --> 00:32:51,750
we had the one long 22 there yeah

929
00:32:56,149 --> 00:32:54,960
with uh what's his face uh musician

930
00:33:03,190 --> 00:32:56,159
yeah

931
00:33:06,389 --> 00:33:03,200
that was blair county but now it's it's

932
00:33:09,029 --> 00:33:06,399
all in that one area yeah

933
00:33:11,269 --> 00:33:09,039
but there's there's so many so many uh

934
00:33:13,029 --> 00:33:11,279
historical reports

935
00:33:14,470 --> 00:33:13,039
and uh the one that always struck me i

936
00:33:16,630 --> 00:33:14,480
mean the one that made me stick with

937
00:33:18,070 --> 00:33:16,640
this because at first i thought um you

938
00:33:19,750 --> 00:33:18,080
know i better go back to you and moses

939
00:33:21,430 --> 00:33:19,760
isn't out of my realm

940
00:33:23,750 --> 00:33:21,440
but when i found that

941
00:33:25,190 --> 00:33:23,760
newspaper report

942
00:33:27,269 --> 00:33:25,200
in uh

943
00:33:28,950 --> 00:33:27,279
up in here he uh the eerie

944
00:33:29,990 --> 00:33:28,960
whatever the hell it was erie gazette or

945
00:33:32,389 --> 00:33:30,000
something

946
00:33:35,909 --> 00:33:32,399
and it was a report

947
00:33:38,310 --> 00:33:35,919
of a tall canine a wolf-like being very

948
00:33:40,549 --> 00:33:38,320
tall that was tearing up the guy's sheep

949
00:33:43,029 --> 00:33:40,559
and he waited for him you know laid into

950
00:33:45,509 --> 00:33:43,039
him and took a shot at him

951
00:33:48,070 --> 00:33:45,519
and uh but it was his description to the

952
00:33:49,590 --> 00:33:48,080
constable when he went back to town

953
00:33:50,870 --> 00:33:49,600
that was published

954
00:33:53,190 --> 00:33:50,880
if i take

955
00:33:55,350 --> 00:33:53,200
that

956
00:33:57,029 --> 00:33:55,360
description and pick up

957
00:33:59,110 --> 00:33:57,039
our descriptions that we've been getting

958
00:34:00,630 --> 00:33:59,120
identical yeah

959
00:34:03,350 --> 00:34:00,640
face

960
00:34:04,830 --> 00:34:03,360
head body mass everything

961
00:34:06,789 --> 00:34:04,840
height

962
00:34:07,750 --> 00:34:06,799
color

963
00:34:11,909 --> 00:34:07,760
so

964
00:34:18,470 --> 00:34:14,950
um are dog men migrating across the

965
00:34:20,389 --> 00:34:18,480
united states why so many reports now

966
00:34:23,510 --> 00:34:20,399
you know you and i have walked about

967
00:34:25,030 --> 00:34:23,520
that before you know in pennsylvania

968
00:34:27,510 --> 00:34:25,040
maryland

969
00:34:29,750 --> 00:34:27,520
west virginia down to south

970
00:34:32,069 --> 00:34:29,760
west virginia they may migrate you know

971
00:34:35,990 --> 00:34:32,079
the ridges

972
00:34:38,710 --> 00:34:36,000
in the the appalachians which you know

973
00:34:39,750 --> 00:34:38,720
are pretty prominent ridges

974
00:34:41,750 --> 00:34:39,760
uh

975
00:34:43,349 --> 00:34:41,760
there there's a there's a byway for them

976
00:34:44,790 --> 00:34:43,359
to get through there when that without

977
00:34:46,069 --> 00:34:44,800
be really

978
00:34:47,589 --> 00:34:46,079
causing much

979
00:34:49,270 --> 00:34:47,599
upper you know any

980
00:34:51,990 --> 00:34:49,280
sightings or anything

981
00:34:53,190 --> 00:34:52,000
uh do they migrate i don't know

982
00:34:54,629 --> 00:34:53,200
what do you think but you think they

983
00:34:56,629 --> 00:34:54,639
migrate

984
00:34:59,270 --> 00:34:56,639
well yeah because when you look when you

985
00:35:01,430 --> 00:34:59,280
get further down south

986
00:35:04,310 --> 00:35:01,440
uh depending on the time of year

987
00:35:07,349 --> 00:35:04,320
it's like of course the the uh the

988
00:35:09,030 --> 00:35:07,359
church lady that was mauled and killed

989
00:35:10,790 --> 00:35:09,040
i mean until this then i i followed that

990
00:35:12,470 --> 00:35:10,800
religiously i mean i check on that every

991
00:35:13,990 --> 00:35:12,480
couple days through the sheriff's

992
00:35:16,470 --> 00:35:14,000
department down there they still don't

993
00:35:19,750 --> 00:35:16,480
know what tore her up mm-hmm no that was

994
00:35:23,030 --> 00:35:19,760
down north carolina yeah no dogs no no

995
00:35:25,990 --> 00:35:23,040
bear no mountain lion no nothing uh all

996
00:35:27,670 --> 00:35:26,000
the dna that was collected off of her

997
00:35:29,750 --> 00:35:27,680
at the autopsy

998
00:35:31,829 --> 00:35:29,760
matches nothing

999
00:35:35,510 --> 00:35:31,839
nothing

1000
00:35:37,270 --> 00:35:35,520
no wolf no they don't know what it was

1001
00:35:38,710 --> 00:35:37,280
yeah i mean when you now you know

1002
00:35:40,390 --> 00:35:38,720
vincent asked about other parts of the

1003
00:35:41,990 --> 00:35:40,400
country i don't know i don't really

1004
00:35:44,310 --> 00:35:42,000
think they do

1005
00:35:46,950 --> 00:35:44,320
uh you know the whole just like the

1006
00:35:48,390 --> 00:35:46,960
beast debris road down south south

1007
00:35:51,109 --> 00:35:48,400
central

1008
00:35:52,870 --> 00:35:51,119
wisconsin you know i i more the more i

1009
00:35:54,470 --> 00:35:52,880
see that the more people i talk to and

1010
00:35:55,589 --> 00:35:54,480
there was a sighting there a lot long

1011
00:35:57,190 --> 00:35:55,599
ago

1012
00:35:59,109 --> 00:35:57,200
uh

1013
00:36:00,630 --> 00:35:59,119
some of the footage that's been gathered

1014
00:36:02,550 --> 00:36:00,640
over the years

1015
00:36:04,950 --> 00:36:02,560
uh lee hemphills

1016
00:36:06,470 --> 00:36:04,960
farm in particular

1017
00:36:08,390 --> 00:36:06,480
uh

1018
00:36:10,829 --> 00:36:08,400
well a lot of supernatural stuff going

1019
00:36:13,990 --> 00:36:10,839
on there i mean i've seen stuff on these

1020
00:36:16,470 --> 00:36:14,000
films that he's presenting that would

1021
00:36:17,670 --> 00:36:16,480
you know they'd lay a deer a dead deer

1022
00:36:19,430 --> 00:36:17,680
out in the road just waiting for

1023
00:36:21,750 --> 00:36:19,440
something to come and

1024
00:36:23,829 --> 00:36:21,760
this thing just will manifest out of a

1025
00:36:25,349 --> 00:36:23,839
puff of smoke

1026
00:36:27,430 --> 00:36:25,359
yeah you know

1027
00:36:28,230 --> 00:36:27,440
weird stuff like that

1028
00:36:29,990 --> 00:36:28,240
uh

1029
00:36:32,390 --> 00:36:30,000
and you know they just suddenly show up

1030
00:36:34,630 --> 00:36:32,400
the end of the the field and they get a

1031
00:36:38,150 --> 00:36:34,640
picture of something out there a form

1032
00:36:39,589 --> 00:36:38,160
and it just disappears so um

1033
00:36:42,069 --> 00:36:39,599
i don't know i don't know what to say

1034
00:36:44,390 --> 00:36:42,079
about that whole thing out there um

1035
00:36:45,510 --> 00:36:44,400
you know it's ingrained in the area with

1036
00:36:48,069 --> 00:36:45,520
the uh

1037
00:36:50,150 --> 00:36:48,079
with the beast debris road and and other

1038
00:36:51,990 --> 00:36:50,160
phenomena out there there

1039
00:36:53,510 --> 00:36:52,000
it i mean it's known for these upright

1040
00:36:54,950 --> 00:36:53,520
settings in court i have gotten

1041
00:36:56,790 --> 00:36:54,960
sightings

1042
00:36:59,430 --> 00:36:56,800
in that area that southern wisconsin

1043
00:37:02,550 --> 00:36:59,440
area for years

1044
00:37:03,990 --> 00:37:02,560
also up into a little further north

1045
00:37:07,510 --> 00:37:04,000
as well so

1046
00:37:10,550 --> 00:37:09,270
and i i would think with all the reports

1047
00:37:12,470 --> 00:37:10,560
that we've had in pennsylvania there'd

1048
00:37:15,750 --> 00:37:12,480
be more reports like in

1049
00:37:17,109 --> 00:37:15,760
ohio and west virginia and there aren't

1050
00:37:18,630 --> 00:37:17,119
now

1051
00:37:20,950 --> 00:37:18,640
you're right we don't get many down

1052
00:37:23,030 --> 00:37:20,960
there i don't know why

1053
00:37:24,630 --> 00:37:23,040
but i don't know people just aren't out

1054
00:37:26,550 --> 00:37:24,640
there there's hiding better or what the

1055
00:37:27,910 --> 00:37:26,560
deal is i mean greene county there have

1056
00:37:29,670 --> 00:37:27,920
been a few in green county over the

1057
00:37:31,829 --> 00:37:29,680
years

1058
00:37:33,670 --> 00:37:31,839
you can spit in ohio or west virginia

1059
00:37:37,990 --> 00:37:33,680
from greece county

1060
00:37:39,750 --> 00:37:38,000
well yeah it's right there yeah um

1061
00:37:41,030 --> 00:37:39,760
i know there was a there was a question

1062
00:37:42,950 --> 00:37:41,040
about

1063
00:37:45,030 --> 00:37:42,960
cumberland county

1064
00:37:47,990 --> 00:37:45,040
out by between mechanicsburg and

1065
00:37:50,150 --> 00:37:48,000
carlisle you know there were there were

1066
00:37:52,069 --> 00:37:50,160
there were a series of sightings in

1067
00:37:54,390 --> 00:37:52,079
cumberland county

1068
00:37:59,349 --> 00:37:54,400
um

1069
00:38:02,230 --> 00:37:59,359
uh

1070
00:38:04,390 --> 00:38:02,240
said between carl island mechanicsburg

1071
00:38:06,710 --> 00:38:04,400
the bipedal was camping there and heard

1072
00:38:08,710 --> 00:38:06,720
zero noises one night

1073
00:38:11,589 --> 00:38:08,720
yeah well you know linda godfrey had

1074
00:38:13,589 --> 00:38:11,599
gotten a report in that area and she was

1075
00:38:16,630 --> 00:38:13,599
looking into it and of course this was

1076
00:38:18,710 --> 00:38:16,640
in pennsylvania she's at wisconsin but

1077
00:38:20,310 --> 00:38:18,720
you know i guess she was a bit coy about

1078
00:38:22,550 --> 00:38:20,320
it didn't tell me a whole lot but i did

1079
00:38:24,310 --> 00:38:22,560
talk to some people out there and they

1080
00:38:26,390 --> 00:38:24,320
they said there have been some sightings

1081
00:38:28,069 --> 00:38:26,400
in in cumberland county which doesn't

1082
00:38:29,030 --> 00:38:28,079
surprise me you know

1083
00:38:35,030 --> 00:38:29,040
um

1084
00:38:37,670 --> 00:38:35,040
lot of a lot of forested area especially

1085
00:38:39,190 --> 00:38:37,680
just like michoa and misha state forest

1086
00:38:41,270 --> 00:38:39,200
head south

1087
00:38:42,630 --> 00:38:41,280
um so there's a lot going on out there

1088
00:38:44,390 --> 00:38:42,640
so um

1089
00:38:46,470 --> 00:38:44,400
and a lot of people don't realize how

1090
00:38:50,550 --> 00:38:46,480
big an area we're talking about oh yeah

1091
00:38:52,150 --> 00:38:50,560
it's huge uh yeah it's it's unbelievable

1092
00:38:54,150 --> 00:38:52,160
yeah well you know you know that whole

1093
00:38:56,069 --> 00:38:54,160
cent that whole central pennsylvania

1094
00:38:59,750 --> 00:38:56,079
area where we're talking about

1095
00:39:02,310 --> 00:38:59,760
is a vast majority of the uh

1096
00:39:05,670 --> 00:39:02,320
the forested area in the state

1097
00:39:07,109 --> 00:39:05,680
and of course you've got a lot of um

1098
00:39:09,910 --> 00:39:07,119
you know you've got a lot of mountain

1099
00:39:12,390 --> 00:39:09,920
areas and uh valleys and deep valleys

1100
00:39:13,510 --> 00:39:12,400
deep ravines places people very rarely

1101
00:39:16,390 --> 00:39:13,520
go into

1102
00:39:17,430 --> 00:39:16,400
oh yeah and you know actually it's it's

1103
00:39:20,310 --> 00:39:17,440
it's

1104
00:39:21,910 --> 00:39:20,320
west of the appalachian trail so even

1105
00:39:23,670 --> 00:39:21,920
the appalachian trail doesn't even go

1106
00:39:26,310 --> 00:39:23,680
into those mountains there that kind of

1107
00:39:29,670 --> 00:39:26,320
veers west up and towards poconos and up

1108
00:39:31,910 --> 00:39:29,680
but uh yeah it's um

1109
00:39:32,870 --> 00:39:31,920
yeah it's uh

1110
00:39:34,790 --> 00:39:32,880
you know

1111
00:39:36,790 --> 00:39:34,800
you try to figure out what's going on

1112
00:39:38,870 --> 00:39:36,800
here but the one thing in pennsylvania

1113
00:39:40,829 --> 00:39:38,880
you do know so that the bigfoot and the

1114
00:39:43,670 --> 00:39:40,839
the upright canine stay away from each

1115
00:39:45,750 --> 00:39:43,680
other uh we don't get any reports of any

1116
00:39:47,270 --> 00:39:45,760
type of you know

1117
00:39:49,109 --> 00:39:47,280
uh

1118
00:39:50,550 --> 00:39:49,119
you know conflicts between these two

1119
00:39:53,030 --> 00:39:50,560
even though when they're they're known

1120
00:39:55,349 --> 00:39:53,040
for being in both areas

1121
00:39:57,270 --> 00:39:55,359
uh misho state park state forest is a

1122
00:40:00,069 --> 00:39:57,280
perfect example we've had bigfoot

1123
00:40:01,910 --> 00:40:00,079
sightings in there for years

1124
00:40:03,510 --> 00:40:01,920
the whole way up into gettysburg and

1125
00:40:04,950 --> 00:40:03,520
along route 30.

1126
00:40:07,349 --> 00:40:04,960
and uh

1127
00:40:08,829 --> 00:40:07,359
but we do get upright k9 sightings as

1128
00:40:11,510 --> 00:40:08,839
well and

1129
00:40:13,109 --> 00:40:11,520
um uh so i don't know you know i guess

1130
00:40:14,309 --> 00:40:13,119
they they're just able to avoid each

1131
00:40:16,230 --> 00:40:14,319
other

1132
00:40:18,069 --> 00:40:16,240
so what else we got here anybody got

1133
00:40:21,030 --> 00:40:18,079
another question do you see additional

1134
00:40:24,069 --> 00:40:21,040
balls of light using infrared

1135
00:40:26,230 --> 00:40:24,079
uh ve camera versus naked eye i do at

1136
00:40:29,750 --> 00:40:26,240
site i'm investigating genesee county

1137
00:40:31,990 --> 00:40:29,760
pot genesee pennsylvania potter county

1138
00:40:33,349 --> 00:40:32,000
i don't know butch what do you say

1139
00:40:40,230 --> 00:40:33,359
uh

1140
00:40:42,870 --> 00:40:40,240
try something

1141
00:40:46,150 --> 00:40:42,880
last summer where we used a

1142
00:40:49,270 --> 00:40:46,160
a regular 35 millimeter film camera

1143
00:40:52,390 --> 00:40:49,280
and we put a red filter on it

1144
00:40:53,430 --> 00:40:52,400
and uh used you know that type of film

1145
00:40:55,750 --> 00:40:53,440
and

1146
00:40:56,870 --> 00:40:55,760
it was interesting but it's very hard to

1147
00:40:59,270 --> 00:40:56,880
make out they

1148
00:41:00,710 --> 00:40:59,280
the pictures turn out to be

1149
00:41:03,109 --> 00:41:00,720
fuzzy around the edges you know you

1150
00:41:06,069 --> 00:41:03,119
don't get a real good definition

1151
00:41:07,990 --> 00:41:06,079
but thermal imaging and and infrared i

1152
00:41:10,550 --> 00:41:08,000
mean we have

1153
00:41:12,790 --> 00:41:10,560
about half a dozen of those types of um

1154
00:41:14,230 --> 00:41:12,800
units and plus we have the cameras also

1155
00:41:16,069 --> 00:41:14,240
but yeah i got a question i got a

1156
00:41:18,870 --> 00:41:16,079
personal question not for me from

1157
00:41:21,750 --> 00:41:18,880
jennifer and jennifer asked me to ask

1158
00:41:24,630 --> 00:41:21,760
you what do you think about

1159
00:41:26,710 --> 00:41:24,640
these upright canines these dog men

1160
00:41:28,550 --> 00:41:26,720
or their adult women are there are there

1161
00:41:31,510 --> 00:41:28,560
actual

1162
00:41:32,870 --> 00:41:31,520
any gender differences or sightings

1163
00:41:34,470 --> 00:41:32,880
where people

1164
00:41:35,670 --> 00:41:34,480
notice any difference between these

1165
00:41:38,950 --> 00:41:35,680
things

1166
00:41:40,550 --> 00:41:38,960
uh no never had any descriptions that's

1167
00:41:43,270 --> 00:41:40,560
what's over

1168
00:41:46,230 --> 00:41:43,280
female wise although in bigfoot there

1169
00:41:48,150 --> 00:41:46,240
have been but not not in the bipedal no

1170
00:41:49,829 --> 00:41:48,160
not at all yeah that's then and that was

1171
00:41:51,910 --> 00:41:49,839
a pretty good question i thought because

1172
00:41:53,430 --> 00:41:51,920
uh

1173
00:41:55,109 --> 00:41:53,440
you know people have gotten pretty close

1174
00:41:57,190 --> 00:41:55,119
to these things you don't see you don't

1175
00:41:58,630 --> 00:41:57,200
hear anything about genitalia you don't

1176
00:42:00,630 --> 00:41:58,640
hear anything about breast you don't

1177
00:42:03,190 --> 00:42:00,640
hear anything about anything

1178
00:42:06,309 --> 00:42:03,200
uh as far as gender so maybe these

1179
00:42:10,550 --> 00:42:08,390
i don't know

1180
00:42:11,829 --> 00:42:10,560
you know maybe they're they're just some

1181
00:42:14,230 --> 00:42:11,839
type of

1182
00:42:16,470 --> 00:42:14,240
uh supernatural being

1183
00:42:17,670 --> 00:42:16,480
that is uh somehow coming down to that

1184
00:42:19,270 --> 00:42:17,680
isn't it

1185
00:42:21,270 --> 00:42:19,280
well i mean it would kind of make you

1186
00:42:23,510 --> 00:42:21,280
think like that but you know the fact

1187
00:42:25,430 --> 00:42:23,520
that we haven't had any things like that

1188
00:42:28,390 --> 00:42:25,440
and i i don't know why i never really

1189
00:42:30,470 --> 00:42:28,400
thought much about that but i you know

1190
00:42:32,309 --> 00:42:30,480
i don't know you know it's just just

1191
00:42:34,790 --> 00:42:32,319
another question that's

1192
00:42:36,630 --> 00:42:34,800
uh you know unbe unable to to really

1193
00:42:38,309 --> 00:42:36,640
answer but

1194
00:42:40,150 --> 00:42:38,319
i'm quite sure somebody's going to come

1195
00:42:41,670 --> 00:42:40,160
back to us and say oh well we had this

1196
00:42:45,190 --> 00:42:41,680
and that so we'll have to wait and see

1197
00:42:47,349 --> 00:42:45,200
maybe somebody will see something uh

1198
00:42:49,349 --> 00:42:47,359
yeah question how many pups been found i

1199
00:42:51,589 --> 00:42:49,359
don't know of any

1200
00:42:53,829 --> 00:42:51,599
no any young

1201
00:42:57,270 --> 00:42:53,839
that's another that's another thing

1202
00:43:00,150 --> 00:42:57,280
nothing even resembles uh you know

1203
00:43:02,230 --> 00:43:00,160
they're all described the same vanillas

1204
00:43:05,750 --> 00:43:02,240
they're all huge beings

1205
00:43:08,309 --> 00:43:05,760
they're they seem to all be full size

1206
00:43:11,670 --> 00:43:08,319
and uh that tends to make me think that

1207
00:43:12,390 --> 00:43:11,680
they're supernatural beings so who knows

1208
00:43:14,069 --> 00:43:12,400
yeah

1209
00:43:16,150 --> 00:43:14,079
now of course we'll get an argument from

1210
00:43:19,349 --> 00:43:16,160
people who

1211
00:43:20,710 --> 00:43:19,359
are aficionados of the dog man or people

1212
00:43:22,309 --> 00:43:20,720
who say that's all they do and they'll

1213
00:43:24,390 --> 00:43:22,319
come up with some kind of

1214
00:43:25,349 --> 00:43:24,400
explanation but no i i haven't seen

1215
00:43:28,470 --> 00:43:25,359
anything

1216
00:43:30,790 --> 00:43:28,480
no uh what is your opinion on dogman

1217
00:43:32,550 --> 00:43:30,800
sasquatch cohabitation

1218
00:43:34,710 --> 00:43:32,560
well they live in the same areas i mean

1219
00:43:37,750 --> 00:43:34,720
we do know that and that was that was

1220
00:43:39,430 --> 00:43:37,760
from jane james west who told us that he

1221
00:43:40,870 --> 00:43:39,440
has bigfoot out there

1222
00:43:44,069 --> 00:43:40,880
that he thinks they're bigfoot out there

1223
00:43:46,230 --> 00:43:44,079
where he had his dog man encounter and i

1224
00:43:48,309 --> 00:43:46,240
i believe that i mean you know i said

1225
00:43:50,069 --> 00:43:48,319
like misha misha definitely got both of

1226
00:43:52,150 --> 00:43:50,079
them in there there's other parts of the

1227
00:43:53,990 --> 00:43:52,160
state as well and even

1228
00:43:55,349 --> 00:43:54,000
outside the state where these things

1229
00:43:57,190 --> 00:43:55,359
cohabitate

1230
00:43:58,870 --> 00:43:57,200
um

1231
00:44:00,150 --> 00:43:58,880
i guess this doesn't matter are they

1232
00:44:04,950 --> 00:44:00,160
both

1233
00:44:07,270 --> 00:44:04,960
i mean

1234
00:44:08,630 --> 00:44:07,280
i said extraterrestrial possibly

1235
00:44:11,910 --> 00:44:08,640
are they uh

1236
00:44:13,750 --> 00:44:11,920
ulta you know interdimensional who knows

1237
00:44:15,030 --> 00:44:13,760
you know we get a lot of strange reports

1238
00:44:16,870 --> 00:44:15,040
regard

1239
00:44:19,190 --> 00:44:16,880
bigfoot as well you know

1240
00:44:21,270 --> 00:44:19,200
it just makes you think what the deal is

1241
00:44:25,910 --> 00:44:21,280
so

1242
00:44:27,589 --> 00:44:25,920
you know

1243
00:44:29,430 --> 00:44:27,599
definitely something out there

1244
00:44:31,990 --> 00:44:29,440
i went to college in clarion

1245
00:44:33,829 --> 00:44:32,000
pennsylvania any reports out there

1246
00:44:36,390 --> 00:44:33,839
well you had to ask paul belugas about

1247
00:44:37,829 --> 00:44:36,400
that's why i think he went to college at

1248
00:44:39,510 --> 00:44:37,839
i don't know if paul's ever heard of

1249
00:44:40,630 --> 00:44:39,520
anything out there he's never mentioned

1250
00:44:41,910 --> 00:44:40,640
to me

1251
00:44:43,670 --> 00:44:41,920
um

1252
00:44:45,670 --> 00:44:43,680
i don't know

1253
00:44:48,630 --> 00:44:45,680
no i haven't seen any

1254
00:44:50,950 --> 00:44:48,640
yeah yeah

1255
00:44:51,990 --> 00:44:50,960
that would be up towards i guess close

1256
00:44:53,670 --> 00:44:52,000
up towards

1257
00:44:55,990 --> 00:44:53,680
allegheny uh and of course we've had

1258
00:44:57,030 --> 00:44:56,000
sightings in allegheny

1259
00:44:58,950 --> 00:44:57,040
yeah

1260
00:45:02,150 --> 00:44:58,960
i don't know

1261
00:45:04,870 --> 00:45:02,160
uh okay butch i'll send you our den

1262
00:45:07,430 --> 00:45:04,880
photos and there are pups

1263
00:45:08,950 --> 00:45:07,440
okay well do that send it to us right

1264
00:45:10,870 --> 00:45:08,960
look at them

1265
00:45:13,829 --> 00:45:10,880
and uh let's see

1266
00:45:17,109 --> 00:45:13,839
any other questions

1267
00:45:20,630 --> 00:45:18,630
on folks

1268
00:45:23,270 --> 00:45:20,640
you guys for another 15 minutes you got

1269
00:45:26,230 --> 00:45:23,280
questions let us know

1270
00:45:27,190 --> 00:45:26,240
we're here to answer

1271
00:45:29,589 --> 00:45:27,200
um

1272
00:45:32,870 --> 00:45:29,599
are they attracted to warm climates

1273
00:45:34,950 --> 00:45:32,880
mexico central south america

1274
00:45:36,230 --> 00:45:34,960
well i don't know i i have no

1275
00:45:38,470 --> 00:45:36,240
they may be

1276
00:45:41,030 --> 00:45:38,480
mostly mexico central and south america

1277
00:45:42,870 --> 00:45:41,040
they talk about werewolves yeah you know

1278
00:45:44,230 --> 00:45:42,880
the changeover you know where you know

1279
00:45:45,430 --> 00:45:44,240
you're talking to the guy you own five

1280
00:45:46,710 --> 00:45:45,440
bucks and he said you don't pay him he

1281
00:45:49,109 --> 00:45:46,720
turns into a werewolf and rip your head

1282
00:45:52,390 --> 00:45:49,119
off sure uh but that that that has

1283
00:45:55,030 --> 00:45:52,400
always been that area of mexico and uh

1284
00:45:56,150 --> 00:45:55,040
central and south america

1285
00:45:58,230 --> 00:45:56,160
and

1286
00:46:00,550 --> 00:45:58,240
a lot of a lot in the same area down

1287
00:46:03,430 --> 00:46:00,560
there where they have uh you know the

1288
00:46:06,309 --> 00:46:03,440
the disappearing witches uh

1289
00:46:08,150 --> 00:46:06,319
you know yeah flying witches

1290
00:46:09,109 --> 00:46:08,160
well you know down in mexico they have a

1291
00:46:11,270 --> 00:46:09,119
lot of

1292
00:46:14,470 --> 00:46:11,280
natural caning species they have the

1293
00:46:16,150 --> 00:46:14,480
mexican wolf and a few other things uh i

1294
00:46:18,390 --> 00:46:16,160
don't know if they could be could be

1295
00:46:20,950 --> 00:46:18,400
mistaken for

1296
00:46:23,030 --> 00:46:20,960
any of these type of upright canines or

1297
00:46:26,150 --> 00:46:23,040
dog man or whatever but you know i know

1298
00:46:27,030 --> 00:46:26,160
they're out there so

1299
00:46:29,270 --> 00:46:27,040
uh

1300
00:46:32,309 --> 00:46:29,280
are either one of you familiar with

1301
00:46:34,309 --> 00:46:32,319
victor the alleged government agent

1302
00:46:36,069 --> 00:46:34,319
that worked with the government breeding

1303
00:46:39,270 --> 00:46:36,079
program is so what your opinions

1304
00:46:40,870 --> 00:46:39,280
appreciate all your time guys

1305
00:46:42,390 --> 00:46:40,880
i'm not familiar with that name i've

1306
00:46:44,710 --> 00:46:42,400
heard a lot of names over the years but

1307
00:46:46,309 --> 00:46:44,720
that's a new one yeah i mean either

1308
00:46:48,470 --> 00:46:46,319
somebody is involved with something that

1309
00:46:49,990 --> 00:46:48,480
we know about i you know these breeding

1310
00:46:52,710 --> 00:46:50,000
programs

1311
00:46:56,390 --> 00:46:52,720
oh god you know you know i lived down

1312
00:46:58,069 --> 00:46:56,400
around baltimore for a long time and i

1313
00:46:59,750 --> 00:46:58,079
heard a lot of different stuff you know

1314
00:47:01,670 --> 00:46:59,760
down there where edgewood is and down

1315
00:47:03,829 --> 00:47:01,680
there where uh aberdeen

1316
00:47:05,510 --> 00:47:03,839
proving grounds are there's been talk

1317
00:47:07,349 --> 00:47:05,520
about bigfoot

1318
00:47:10,710 --> 00:47:07,359
breeding in there for years of course

1319
00:47:12,150 --> 00:47:10,720
when i had that encounter back in 81

1320
00:47:14,069 --> 00:47:12,160
i was thinking well maybe something

1321
00:47:15,750 --> 00:47:14,079
escaped from somewhere out there because

1322
00:47:16,790 --> 00:47:15,760
they were they were on this thing right

1323
00:47:18,630 --> 00:47:16,800
away

1324
00:47:20,309 --> 00:47:18,640
so uh

1325
00:47:22,950 --> 00:47:20,319
are there breeding is there breeding

1326
00:47:24,630 --> 00:47:22,960
activity act possibly

1327
00:47:27,829 --> 00:47:24,640
you know it wouldn't surprise me you

1328
00:47:34,309 --> 00:47:29,910
there's been a lot

1329
00:47:38,470 --> 00:47:35,910
thoughts that this may actually be

1330
00:47:40,630 --> 00:47:38,480
what's going on but i don't know

1331
00:47:42,390 --> 00:47:40,640
you know it's hard to prove that

1332
00:47:43,990 --> 00:47:42,400
you know if i if i hit on something one

1333
00:47:46,309 --> 00:47:44,000
day then i start getting a knock room

1334
00:47:47,589 --> 00:47:46,319
door then i know i struck a nerve

1335
00:47:49,109 --> 00:47:47,599
so

1336
00:47:53,670 --> 00:47:49,119
and i haven't had anybody knocking the

1337
00:47:55,430 --> 00:47:53,680
door about that not yet anyway so um

1338
00:47:58,150 --> 00:47:55,440
what experiences has butch personally

1339
00:47:59,510 --> 00:47:58,160
had with dog men

1340
00:48:00,870 --> 00:47:59,520
personally

1341
00:48:02,390 --> 00:48:00,880
none

1342
00:48:06,230 --> 00:48:02,400
no you're gonna keep it that way too

1343
00:48:08,309 --> 00:48:06,240
can't you yeah as long as i can yeah

1344
00:48:10,150 --> 00:48:08,319
yeah they scared the hell out of me i

1345
00:48:11,430 --> 00:48:10,160
know i mean what guys one guy said do

1346
00:48:13,030 --> 00:48:11,440
you go armed when you go looking for

1347
00:48:13,910 --> 00:48:13,040
these things i look them up like what do

1348
00:48:14,630 --> 00:48:13,920
you think

1349
00:48:16,150 --> 00:48:14,640
yeah

1350
00:48:17,670 --> 00:48:16,160
are you kidding me

1351
00:48:19,270 --> 00:48:17,680
yeah i'm the same way i don't want to

1352
00:48:20,950 --> 00:48:19,280
run into one of those things they scared

1353
00:48:23,270 --> 00:48:20,960
a crap on me

1354
00:48:26,790 --> 00:48:23,280
i'm new to dog man this is from wild

1355
00:48:29,430 --> 00:48:26,800
trees are there any good photos of them

1356
00:48:32,150 --> 00:48:29,440
artwork yes photos yeah there's a lot of

1357
00:48:33,430 --> 00:48:32,160
good artwork out there but quite frankly

1358
00:48:35,910 --> 00:48:33,440
i don't know

1359
00:48:38,309 --> 00:48:35,920
i i'd say the best picture is the the

1360
00:48:40,390 --> 00:48:38,319
seven shoots picture up the photograph

1361
00:48:43,670 --> 00:48:40,400
up there in um

1362
00:48:46,950 --> 00:48:43,680
in quebec that's probably the best one

1363
00:48:48,950 --> 00:48:46,960
and i do believe that's a canid uh and

1364
00:48:50,710 --> 00:48:48,960
actually he's holding a white little

1365
00:48:53,109 --> 00:48:50,720
white dog or something

1366
00:48:55,109 --> 00:48:53,119
maybe that's dinner i had no idea but no

1367
00:48:57,589 --> 00:48:55,119
no that's probably the best photograph

1368
00:48:59,190 --> 00:48:57,599
i've seen yeah um

1369
00:49:01,430 --> 00:48:59,200
our our

1370
00:49:04,870 --> 00:49:01,440
our uh

1371
00:49:06,470 --> 00:49:04,880
of our drawing oven we had done strictly

1372
00:49:08,150 --> 00:49:06,480
from

1373
00:49:09,430 --> 00:49:08,160
how i did it was i just took the

1374
00:49:11,270 --> 00:49:09,440
descriptions from seven different

1375
00:49:14,309 --> 00:49:11,280
reports and turned them over to a

1376
00:49:17,190 --> 00:49:14,319
gentleman was an artist for the fbi

1377
00:49:18,710 --> 00:49:17,200
and i said just draw what they're saying

1378
00:49:21,190 --> 00:49:18,720
they see

1379
00:49:22,230 --> 00:49:21,200
and that's what we stuck with

1380
00:49:24,230 --> 00:49:22,240
so

1381
00:49:26,870 --> 00:49:24,240
uh it is what it is well that's what i

1382
00:49:29,589 --> 00:49:26,880
did with sykesville bigfoot yeah same

1383
00:49:32,309 --> 00:49:29,599
thing monster i had oh it took all that

1384
00:49:34,150 --> 00:49:32,319
i took all that imagery and uh my

1385
00:49:36,230 --> 00:49:34,160
inventory but what they described

1386
00:49:38,150 --> 00:49:36,240
sketches and such

1387
00:49:40,950 --> 00:49:38,160
use the base

1388
00:49:43,030 --> 00:49:40,960
from what he this was a forensic artist

1389
00:49:45,349 --> 00:49:43,040
retired down in florida

1390
00:49:46,870 --> 00:49:45,359
and he took a base photograph because

1391
00:49:49,190 --> 00:49:46,880
from my description i said it looked

1392
00:49:51,030 --> 00:49:49,200
like a neanderthal

1393
00:49:53,030 --> 00:49:51,040
so he took what

1394
00:49:54,870 --> 00:49:53,040
some would say would be the the head of

1395
00:49:56,069 --> 00:49:54,880
a neanderthal

1396
00:49:56,829 --> 00:49:56,079
uh

1397
00:50:00,790 --> 00:49:56,839
you know

1398
00:50:03,510 --> 00:50:00,800
anthropological being and um

1399
00:50:05,430 --> 00:50:03,520
uh then went to there went with that and

1400
00:50:07,349 --> 00:50:05,440
uh then took the other and we had a lot

1401
00:50:08,790 --> 00:50:07,359
of i had a lot of descriptions and

1402
00:50:11,109 --> 00:50:08,800
that's when he ended up with what he

1403
00:50:14,549 --> 00:50:11,119
ended up with so um

1404
00:50:16,150 --> 00:50:14,559
you know and quite frankly what i saw

1405
00:50:17,910 --> 00:50:16,160
looked very much like that picture i've

1406
00:50:19,670 --> 00:50:17,920
shown over the years

1407
00:50:21,750 --> 00:50:19,680
so um yeah

1408
00:50:22,790 --> 00:50:21,760
as far as dogman upright canine i don't

1409
00:50:27,270 --> 00:50:22,800
know

1410
00:50:29,109 --> 00:50:27,280
that has convinced me

1411
00:50:31,670 --> 00:50:29,119
either way other than what i saw at the

1412
00:50:33,430 --> 00:50:31,680
seven shoots and that

1413
00:50:36,150 --> 00:50:33,440
that was a monstrous looking thing

1414
00:50:38,870 --> 00:50:36,160
anyway so

1415
00:50:43,670 --> 00:50:38,880
are there are decrease in wolves coyote

1416
00:50:48,630 --> 00:50:45,190
koi wolves

1417
00:50:50,549 --> 00:50:48,640
tons of them they're all over the state

1418
00:50:53,109 --> 00:50:50,559
yeah they they have increased

1419
00:50:55,190 --> 00:50:53,119
pennsylvania particularly but they those

1420
00:50:59,109 --> 00:50:55,200
acts those actually were

1421
00:51:01,589 --> 00:50:59,119
uh hybrids of wolves and uh and coyotes

1422
00:51:03,589 --> 00:51:01,599
it mostly started up into southern

1423
00:51:06,549 --> 00:51:03,599
ontario up around actually up around

1424
00:51:08,390 --> 00:51:06,559
toronto my god you go up toronto out

1425
00:51:09,270 --> 00:51:08,400
into the parks and stuff outside the

1426
00:51:12,549 --> 00:51:09,280
city

1427
00:51:15,190 --> 00:51:12,559
there are koi wolves everywhere and

1428
00:51:17,430 --> 00:51:15,200
they're not nothing to mess with no no

1429
00:51:19,510 --> 00:51:17,440
they do they're aggressive they have

1430
00:51:20,950 --> 00:51:19,520
they have that wolf mentality yeah so

1431
00:51:23,030 --> 00:51:20,960
you might be staring one down in the

1432
00:51:24,950 --> 00:51:23,040
front and there's 15 in the back

1433
00:51:27,349 --> 00:51:24,960
they kind of look like a they kind of

1434
00:51:30,870 --> 00:51:27,359
look like a coyote

1435
00:51:34,230 --> 00:51:30,880
with a long with long legs

1436
00:51:38,470 --> 00:51:34,240
and type you know like a like a thick

1437
00:51:39,910 --> 00:51:38,480
high um a thick wolf body and tail

1438
00:51:41,750 --> 00:51:39,920
but they got the coyote head they're

1439
00:51:43,109 --> 00:51:41,760
kind of kind of weird looking but no

1440
00:51:47,670 --> 00:51:43,119
they're aggressive

1441
00:51:50,309 --> 00:51:47,680
really are and uh they they really do

1442
00:51:52,309 --> 00:51:50,319
protect their young too and um i've

1443
00:51:53,829 --> 00:51:52,319
talked to several canadians and they

1444
00:51:55,109 --> 00:51:53,839
tell me the same thing they don't like

1445
00:51:57,190 --> 00:51:55,119
foreign

1446
00:51:58,950 --> 00:51:57,200
but i i do believe that they've come

1447
00:52:01,510 --> 00:51:58,960
down here from there

1448
00:52:03,109 --> 00:52:01,520
now is there are there

1449
00:52:05,349 --> 00:52:03,119
you're breeding populations here in

1450
00:52:07,430 --> 00:52:05,359
pennsylvania in new york

1451
00:52:08,710 --> 00:52:07,440
i don't know i know you've seen them

1452
00:52:11,270 --> 00:52:08,720
yeah so

1453
00:52:12,790 --> 00:52:11,280
up in clearfield yeah

1454
00:52:15,190 --> 00:52:12,800
park ranger even came out and warned us

1455
00:52:16,549 --> 00:52:15,200
when we got there yeah that you know he

1456
00:52:18,470 --> 00:52:16,559
said that he whipped out his phone he

1457
00:52:20,710 --> 00:52:18,480
showed me a picture of ten he showed me

1458
00:52:22,390 --> 00:52:20,720
a picture of fifteen yeah they're all

1459
00:52:24,390 --> 00:52:22,400
over the place and he said they're

1460
00:52:26,390 --> 00:52:24,400
aggressive if you if you're armed he

1461
00:52:27,829 --> 00:52:26,400
said stay armed won't bother you during

1462
00:52:32,069 --> 00:52:27,839
the daytime but at night time he said

1463
00:52:37,750 --> 00:52:34,710
other questions has butch read about the

1464
00:52:40,549 --> 00:52:37,760
flixton werewolf in yorkshire

1465
00:52:42,230 --> 00:52:40,559
no but if you send it to me i will

1466
00:52:47,510 --> 00:52:42,240
i've actually

1467
00:52:51,589 --> 00:52:49,270
yeah but it was a cryptid investigator

1468
00:52:54,069 --> 00:52:51,599
out in great britain who's actually

1469
00:52:56,150 --> 00:52:54,079
looked into that but i've heard of that

1470
00:52:58,230 --> 00:52:56,160
yeah i think maybe um

1471
00:52:59,990 --> 00:52:58,240
i forget who it was but i i had read

1472
00:53:01,670 --> 00:53:00,000
about it but it's an interesting it's an

1473
00:53:03,190 --> 00:53:01,680
interesting uh

1474
00:53:05,510 --> 00:53:03,200
uh

1475
00:53:07,670 --> 00:53:05,520
site or a group of sightings out there

1476
00:53:10,309 --> 00:53:07,680
apparently this being

1477
00:53:12,309 --> 00:53:10,319
just shows up i mean you know it's it

1478
00:53:13,349 --> 00:53:12,319
from what i understand

1479
00:53:16,150 --> 00:53:13,359
the ones

1480
00:53:18,950 --> 00:53:16,160
the sightings in yorkshire are on those

1481
00:53:20,790 --> 00:53:18,960
cliff areas near the beaches

1482
00:53:23,030 --> 00:53:20,800
off the uh off the sea

1483
00:53:24,630 --> 00:53:23,040
paul sinclair there it is

1484
00:53:26,470 --> 00:53:24,640
yeah that's who it was

1485
00:53:29,589 --> 00:53:26,480
yeah because i had paul on the show a

1486
00:53:31,670 --> 00:53:29,599
couple times actually years ago yeah

1487
00:53:32,870 --> 00:53:31,680
that's who wrote about paul

1488
00:53:34,710 --> 00:53:32,880
um

1489
00:53:38,390 --> 00:53:34,720
yeah so

1490
00:53:40,309 --> 00:53:38,400
any other questions what about johnstown

1491
00:53:41,109 --> 00:53:40,319
area huh what about the johnstown area i

1492
00:53:44,470 --> 00:53:41,119
got

1493
00:53:46,790 --> 00:53:44,480
working on now

1494
00:53:48,950 --> 00:53:46,800
uh well over in somerset but this

1495
00:53:51,910 --> 00:53:48,960
started in johnstown

1496
00:53:54,150 --> 00:53:51,920
and uh you know with all the crap that's

1497
00:53:56,470 --> 00:53:54,160
happened in johnstown over the years let

1498
00:53:58,549 --> 00:53:56,480
alone you know the flood

1499
00:54:01,109 --> 00:53:58,559
and then with uh

1500
00:54:02,790 --> 00:54:01,119
fly you know with shanks thrill with

1501
00:54:05,510 --> 00:54:02,800
flight 93

1502
00:54:07,589 --> 00:54:05,520
and all the other

1503
00:54:09,750 --> 00:54:07,599
bad stuff that has happened around there

1504
00:54:12,069 --> 00:54:09,760
with drugs and all the

1505
00:54:14,710 --> 00:54:12,079
dysfunction and all it

1506
00:54:17,349 --> 00:54:14,720
yeah it's like a powder cake that area a

1507
00:54:19,270 --> 00:54:17,359
lot of paranormal up there oh yeah as

1508
00:54:21,670 --> 00:54:19,280
far as upright canines you know i think

1509
00:54:25,030 --> 00:54:21,680
the closest that we have had

1510
00:54:26,230 --> 00:54:25,040
has been in cambria county up in um

1511
00:54:28,630 --> 00:54:26,240
what's the name of that town where we

1512
00:54:32,950 --> 00:54:28,640
had a couple sightings at butch

1513
00:54:36,549 --> 00:54:34,069
yeah yeah why don't you do something

1514
00:54:38,309 --> 00:54:36,559
easy yeah

1515
00:54:39,990 --> 00:54:38,319
but there are reports in that area yeah

1516
00:54:41,270 --> 00:54:40,000
cambria a lot of them

1517
00:54:44,549 --> 00:54:41,280
but there's

1518
00:54:46,789 --> 00:54:44,559
and in fact we've had sightings of white

1519
00:54:48,710 --> 00:54:46,799
canines as well so i don't know if they

1520
00:54:49,670 --> 00:54:48,720
were apparitions or something else you

1521
00:54:52,230 --> 00:54:49,680
know

1522
00:54:54,309 --> 00:54:52,240
um i think people are actually seeing

1523
00:54:55,589 --> 00:54:54,319
these pale humanoids

1524
00:54:57,349 --> 00:54:55,599
and of course we're getting those

1525
00:54:59,270 --> 00:54:57,359
settings and butch talked about that out

1526
00:55:00,549 --> 00:54:59,280
there at french

1527
00:55:03,750 --> 00:55:00,559
french creek

1528
00:55:05,430 --> 00:55:03,760
where they had the pale humanoids um

1529
00:55:07,190 --> 00:55:05,440
sightings reported so you know that's

1530
00:55:09,829 --> 00:55:07,200
something we're working on

1531
00:55:11,430 --> 00:55:09,839
and that'll all be in the book when i

1532
00:55:13,750 --> 00:55:11,440
finally get done with it which i'm

1533
00:55:16,549 --> 00:55:13,760
working on now

1534
00:55:18,549 --> 00:55:16,559
but let's see

1535
00:55:22,390 --> 00:55:18,559
do you think these dog men are being

1536
00:55:26,789 --> 00:55:24,789
i i wouldn't necessarily say conjured i

1537
00:55:27,670 --> 00:55:26,799
i'd say

1538
00:55:29,910 --> 00:55:27,680
uh

1539
00:55:32,230 --> 00:55:29,920
like you know maybe just like what we've

1540
00:55:34,950 --> 00:55:32,240
been thinking about in chicago and more

1541
00:55:36,710 --> 00:55:34,960
recently ultra terrestrial activity are

1542
00:55:38,230 --> 00:55:36,720
these things actually also terrestrial

1543
00:55:40,230 --> 00:55:38,240
no that's a good that that's a good

1544
00:55:42,150 --> 00:55:40,240
question to ask because

1545
00:55:43,990 --> 00:55:42,160
i i think with some of the revelations

1546
00:55:46,470 --> 00:55:44,000
we have gotten more recently there could

1547
00:55:48,789 --> 00:55:46,480
be a possibility that be true

1548
00:55:50,069 --> 00:55:48,799
so but i conjured i don't know if they'd

1549
00:55:51,510 --> 00:55:50,079
be conjured i wouldn't know what they'd

1550
00:55:53,430 --> 00:55:51,520
be conjured for

1551
00:55:55,670 --> 00:55:53,440
uh i don't know who would be conjuring

1552
00:55:58,150 --> 00:55:55,680
them for what reason that sentinels or

1553
00:56:01,190 --> 00:55:58,160
guardians i just haven't seen that i

1554
00:56:03,349 --> 00:56:01,200
mean they seem to be pretty sporadic

1555
00:56:05,270 --> 00:56:03,359
so

1556
00:56:07,349 --> 00:56:05,280
my wife and i live in shippensburg and

1557
00:56:08,789 --> 00:56:07,359
michoa state forest i have seen blue

1558
00:56:10,150 --> 00:56:08,799
white orbs there

1559
00:56:12,069 --> 00:56:10,160
what are they

1560
00:56:14,549 --> 00:56:12,079
just part of everything else is that's

1561
00:56:16,950 --> 00:56:14,559
associated with these cryptids

1562
00:56:18,789 --> 00:56:16,960
and and all the other phenomena as well

1563
00:56:20,069 --> 00:56:18,799
um

1564
00:56:22,150 --> 00:56:20,079
you know we had a sighting up near

1565
00:56:23,990 --> 00:56:22,160
shippensburg not long ago

1566
00:56:26,549 --> 00:56:24,000
of something i don't know what the hell

1567
00:56:28,230 --> 00:56:26,559
this was it was huge the guy saw it said

1568
00:56:31,990 --> 00:56:28,240
it looked like a damn cow but it had a

1569
00:56:34,150 --> 00:56:32,000
canine face to it and uh very muscular

1570
00:56:36,150 --> 00:56:34,160
huge huge bean

1571
00:56:38,069 --> 00:56:36,160
and uh

1572
00:56:40,390 --> 00:56:38,079
he was a garbage man on his route up in

1573
00:56:41,910 --> 00:56:40,400
shippensburg and uh

1574
00:56:43,589 --> 00:56:41,920
he said he saw it in the field he didn't

1575
00:56:45,750 --> 00:56:43,599
know what it was but yeah there's

1576
00:56:47,349 --> 00:56:45,760
sightings up and that's for white blue

1577
00:56:49,270 --> 00:56:47,359
and white orbs

1578
00:56:50,710 --> 00:56:49,280
we get blue and white orb settings

1579
00:56:52,950 --> 00:56:50,720
associated with a lot of different

1580
00:56:54,950 --> 00:56:52,960
phenomena even bigfoot

1581
00:56:56,470 --> 00:56:54,960
there were also some reports of the

1582
00:56:58,630 --> 00:56:56,480
flash of light in the woods bigfoot

1583
00:57:00,230 --> 00:56:58,640
appears flash of light he disappears in

1584
00:57:01,829 --> 00:57:00,240
that same area

1585
00:57:03,349 --> 00:57:01,839
yeah it happens i mean we get a lot of

1586
00:57:04,870 --> 00:57:03,359
that stuff so

1587
00:57:05,990 --> 00:57:04,880
you know i you know when people talk

1588
00:57:08,230 --> 00:57:06,000
about

1589
00:57:09,990 --> 00:57:08,240
uh phenomena being associated with a

1590
00:57:11,109 --> 00:57:10,000
phenomenon well that's that's what

1591
00:57:13,510 --> 00:57:11,119
happens

1592
00:57:15,430 --> 00:57:13,520
you know i i pretty well expect that

1593
00:57:16,870 --> 00:57:15,440
when we get a sighting

1594
00:57:17,750 --> 00:57:16,880
that something else is going to show up

1595
00:57:19,190 --> 00:57:17,760
with it

1596
00:57:20,470 --> 00:57:19,200
you know that's that's just the name of

1597
00:57:22,150 --> 00:57:20,480
the game now

1598
00:57:24,150 --> 00:57:22,160
uh

1599
00:57:26,789 --> 00:57:24,160
it just happens you know there's there

1600
00:57:28,630 --> 00:57:26,799
seems to be paranormal activity

1601
00:57:30,789 --> 00:57:28,640
spiritual side or

1602
00:57:31,750 --> 00:57:30,799
maybe extraterrestrial ultra terrestrial

1603
00:57:33,349 --> 00:57:31,760
side

1604
00:57:36,150 --> 00:57:33,359
as related to

1605
00:57:38,309 --> 00:57:36,160
cryptic sightings you know

1606
00:57:40,390 --> 00:57:38,319
it just seems to work out like that so

1607
00:57:41,589 --> 00:57:40,400
we got we got a time for another

1608
00:57:43,589 --> 00:57:41,599
question

1609
00:57:46,309 --> 00:57:43,599
are there any reports by the amish can

1610
00:57:48,150 --> 00:57:46,319
you speak about them yeah i can

1611
00:57:50,230 --> 00:57:48,160
i had a report now it was an upright

1612
00:57:51,829 --> 00:57:50,240
canine i don't think

1613
00:57:54,390 --> 00:57:51,839
but this was something that happened

1614
00:57:57,349 --> 00:57:54,400
several years ago um

1615
00:57:59,190 --> 00:57:57,359
the report that came to me from a uh a

1616
00:58:00,710 --> 00:57:59,200
milk delivery person a guy used to pick

1617
00:58:02,710 --> 00:58:00,720
up the milk at

1618
00:58:05,190 --> 00:58:02,720
one of these farms and uh it's actually

1619
00:58:06,710 --> 00:58:05,200
down to strasbourg which is lancaster

1620
00:58:09,430 --> 00:58:06,720
county

1621
00:58:12,630 --> 00:58:09,440
and this old amish farmer and his son

1622
00:58:15,109 --> 00:58:12,640
saw this thing out out in the field

1623
00:58:17,990 --> 00:58:15,119
and he called it a wild man had had

1624
00:58:20,710 --> 00:58:18,000
actually had overhauls on

1625
00:58:22,630 --> 00:58:20,720
and it had hair and everything else

1626
00:58:23,670 --> 00:58:22,640
he wasn't you know i never talked to the

1627
00:58:25,190 --> 00:58:23,680
guy

1628
00:58:27,750 --> 00:58:25,200
uh but

1629
00:58:29,910 --> 00:58:27,760
this milkman did he went back and

1630
00:58:30,870 --> 00:58:29,920
questioned a bit then he stopped talking

1631
00:58:32,950 --> 00:58:30,880
about it

1632
00:58:35,430 --> 00:58:32,960
but what his account was they saw this

1633
00:58:37,910 --> 00:58:35,440
thing coming in from the field

1634
00:58:39,910 --> 00:58:37,920
they ran in the house just sitting in

1635
00:58:41,990 --> 00:58:39,920
the house watching this thing

1636
00:58:45,030 --> 00:58:42,000
you know just wandering around the farm

1637
00:58:46,230 --> 00:58:45,040
but he described as a large

1638
00:58:47,349 --> 00:58:46,240
hairy

1639
00:58:49,670 --> 00:58:47,359
wow man

1640
00:58:51,270 --> 00:58:49,680
that had coveralls on

1641
00:58:53,109 --> 00:58:51,280
and uh

1642
00:58:54,710 --> 00:58:53,119
when when the old man went out there to

1643
00:58:56,470 --> 00:58:54,720
confront this thing he thought it was

1644
00:58:57,750 --> 00:58:56,480
calm enough that he could go talk to it

1645
00:58:59,349 --> 00:58:57,760
or whatever

1646
00:59:01,270 --> 00:58:59,359
he said when he came out and noticed him

1647
00:59:03,109 --> 00:59:01,280
coming out it started walking towards

1648
00:59:05,270 --> 00:59:03,119
the farm the barn

1649
00:59:08,950 --> 00:59:05,280
and when it got so close to the barn it

1650
00:59:11,829 --> 00:59:08,960
just suddenly disappeared just vanished

1651
00:59:13,990 --> 00:59:11,839
so i don't know he you know i i'm quite

1652
00:59:15,990 --> 00:59:14,000
sure that uh that amishman didn't have

1653
00:59:19,270 --> 00:59:16,000
much to say at the meeting next saturday

1654
00:59:21,990 --> 00:59:19,280
but he was uh

1655
00:59:24,069 --> 00:59:22,000
that was a pretty interesting report

1656
00:59:25,510 --> 00:59:24,079
okay folks well i tell you what i i want

1657
00:59:26,950 --> 00:59:25,520
to thank you for

1658
00:59:28,710 --> 00:59:26,960
the questions they were excellent

1659
00:59:30,390 --> 00:59:28,720
questions and uh

1660
00:59:32,470 --> 00:59:30,400
of course butch you know you're welcome

1661
00:59:34,630 --> 00:59:32,480
anytime and

1662
00:59:36,710 --> 00:59:34,640
you know god knows what we run into so

1663
00:59:38,150 --> 00:59:36,720
sometimes we we may get something

1664
00:59:40,309 --> 00:59:38,160
important that we might have to talk

1665
00:59:41,750 --> 00:59:40,319
about have to have you come on but again

1666
00:59:43,589 --> 00:59:41,760
thanks for taking your time coming with

1667
00:59:44,789 --> 00:59:43,599
me tonight and i'll be talking to you

1668
00:59:47,430 --> 00:59:44,799
soon

1669
00:59:48,950 --> 00:59:47,440
absolutely

1670
00:59:50,870 --> 00:59:48,960
okay now if you have an explaining

1671
00:59:53,430 --> 00:59:50,880
counter or sighting feel free to contact

1672
00:59:55,990 --> 00:59:53,440
me through the fans monsters blog site

1673
00:59:57,990 --> 00:59:56,000
uh i want to again thank butch wikowski

1674
01:00:00,710 --> 00:59:58,000
for joining me this evening and uh

1675
01:00:02,870 --> 01:00:00,720
thanks to each and all of you who for

1676
01:00:05,910 --> 01:00:02,880
watching and chatting and if you made a

1677
01:00:07,990 --> 01:00:05,920
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1678
01:00:10,390 --> 01:00:08,000
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1679
01:00:12,789 --> 01:00:10,400
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1680
01:00:15,510 --> 01:00:12,799
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1681
01:00:16,710 --> 01:00:15,520
now next week we'll be discussing indrid

1682
01:00:18,630 --> 01:00:16,720
cold

1683
01:00:21,270 --> 01:00:18,640
with time to derenberger the author of

1684
01:00:23,109 --> 01:00:21,280
beyond landlords over 50 our 50 years

1685
01:00:25,270 --> 01:00:23,119
with indrid cold

1686
01:00:27,270 --> 01:00:25,280
now tanya was supposed to have been on a

1687
01:00:29,270 --> 01:00:27,280
couple months ago but there was a

1688
01:00:31,030 --> 01:00:29,280
medical issue so

1689
01:00:33,190 --> 01:00:31,040
she's been kind enough to reschedule

1690
01:00:34,230 --> 01:00:33,200
with us again so um

1691
01:00:36,390 --> 01:00:34,240
that should be an interesting

1692
01:00:37,510 --> 01:00:36,400
conversation i've read the book and it's

1693
01:00:39,589 --> 01:00:37,520
uh

1694
01:00:42,069 --> 01:00:39,599
it's a strange story i mean people that

1695
01:00:44,789 --> 01:00:42,079
are familiar with the grinning man or

1696
01:00:48,390 --> 01:00:44,799
injured cold and some of the stuff that

1697
01:00:50,230 --> 01:00:48,400
her father uh woody derenberger

1698
01:00:52,950 --> 01:00:50,240
discussed and

1699
01:00:54,870 --> 01:00:52,960
proclaimed over the years it it was an

1700
01:00:56,870 --> 01:00:54,880
interesting story so yeah join us for

1701
01:00:58,549 --> 01:00:56,880
that it'll be quite interesting so until

1702
01:01:09,360 --> 01:00:58,559
next week stay healthy have a safe and

1703
01:01:09,370 --> 01:01:22,000
[Music]

1704
01:01:22,010 --> 01:01:47,080
[Applause]